mango - Did the stewards have anything to say about Torque in Motion's erratic running in the straight?
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mango - Did the stewards have anything to say about Torque in Motion's erratic running in the straight?
Shifted out under pressure
I think with Torque in Motion the reason behind her running around was that in all her starts this time in she hasnt been driving as hard as that. She hasnt really been tested in her 12 starts and shane was throwing everything at her up the straight she just lost her balance a little bit ducked out and than in. She's only in her 2nd prep. One of her early starts in the 3yo Breeders she galloped on the home turn when she was getting driven like that. Thats all it was, experience will help her, what she has done is amazing. Smart drive by Darrel once again, easy lead, walked the first quarter, he has quickest speed of any horse and just slipped away from Torque In Motion on the bend, got him the race in the end. Heard today that Luke MaCarthy would have parked Lanercost if he was given the chance in this race, that would been so good to see. I feel the draw really took some of the exitement out of the race, just a dash home.
This sat night looks even better !!! And here you go Aussiebrenno this is my early take on things for this week, Il start the ball rolling please opinions everyone.
For the 4/5YO... Garnet River has a heap of gate speed, he'l fly out but most likely be looking for a sit (couldnt run it out last week). Mega Alexander is alot the same in this grade, won doing so last week. Lightning Raider has drawn awesome and won last Sunday very very arrogantly! Luke hardly moved, had em covered a long way from home, if he leads he could be hard to run down. Mister GNP is flying! Il be interested to see who Shane Graham chooses to drive. He should push forward find the death and will run a race. I think Lightning Raider and Mister GNP are the main two from the front row. Lanercost drawn 8 ... what to do? follow fence hope for luck or get off em and go around every horse. Tough one. Couldnt back him but wouldnt be surprised if he popped up. Our White Knight is a smokey. Going good and you can bet your bottom dollar he'll be driven well, you'll get every chance with him. Anddd Torque In Motion, draw might look bad, it is but to me I actully like it, she stays out of trouble and hopefully they go fast and can see her flying home down the outside. Il probably go with her because I like her simple as that however I have a feeling Lightning Raider is the one to beat, gun draw, gun trainer. So Torque In Motion / Lightning Raider from Our White Knight. If your doing Tri's / F4's dont leave Lanercost out either.
Derby .... Marshal Law gets every chance, 2600? See what happens. Caesars Folly went enourmous last week. He's the best 3yo going around I think, fool proof he is. 2600 shouldnt worry him, stay all day by the looks of him, I hope they dish up the $3.00 like they did with Joyous Times last week. Alot of other chances, My Mei, hard to say how good it is, but obviously talented, if Night Of The Stars couldnt win last week, he cant this week. Mach Alert is the one I think that could pop up. He's fit, runs the trip and can go (just won heat and final of Premiers Cup over 2600). He'll be going forward however wont be able to get things his way infront, but most likely end up handing the death up to Caesars Folly, if he can sprint at the end of 2600, he's a massive hope and I think he can beat Marshal law home. 10,11,12 all go good, but cant see them winning. Sign To Inverell can really zip home, will be driven dead cold and if the speed was really on could pop up at massive odds. Watch out for him. Il go Caesars Folly from Mach Alert from Sign To Inverell.
FFA looks good, it made me laugh when they vetted Blackie after last weeks run, he was victim of a sh*t drive. Nothing against Kylie Rassmussen she is very very good horsewomen (last years triad she broke in 6 of the 10 starters I think) anyway at Blackies age how can he be expected to outzip them in a 26.6 last quarter? haha please. She should have been up there eye balling Cody Banks running even 30's at least. Thats how he beats em, always has, bullies em and is too tough. 39 lead last week! Equal slowest of the night, 62+ first half, handed the race to Cody Banks who is a very very nice horse. This week I think you will see Kylie up there running along and hopefully Blackie winning once again.
Good Luck everyone.
I'm glad I am not the only one that thought the drive on Blackie was pretty ordinary. He just about needed to run a sub 26 sec. last quarter from where she had him , and that does not happen too often :-)
I tipped Cody Banks in the forum to beat Blackie at their previous start , and was bagged for tipping against the champ. Unfortunately this time Cody went around without me having anything on him Gggrrr!!! Think he has a bright future ahead.
I guess they vetted Blackie with his history of fibulating (sp?)... a number of people I've spoken to also think if Torque in Motion went straight she would have won.... I didn't see any of the races, started my post grad and am swamped again. lol!
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It looked to me that the reason why Torque In Motion was a bit erratic in the stretch was because she was trying to pace faster than she could get her legs to go through their stride cycle.
When you look at her experience wise, she raced for 5 months as a 3yo and has raced for about the same to date as a 4yo and she has had just 24 starts in total so as talented as she is...she's still pretty green race craft wise for a horse that's racing at that level.
From memory that's the 1st time that I can recall S. R. Graham really asking her for everything she had. I don't think that she'd have ever collared Lanercost but once she gets herself used to responding to that all out drive to the line like she was under this time around she'll really be something to watch.
Exactly Triple! She's only in her second prep. Looked a little flat Saturday night and I think a nice big rest will do her the world of good, hopefully come back much bigger and stronger.Quote:
Originally Posted by triplev123
So after a month ...
Coast Oaks: Silly run race were the best run/drive of the race won, with Forever Gold easily being the run of the race.
QLD Oaks: Forever Gold proves her authority and smashes them. Form Stacks up.
Premiers Cup: Best staying type won and proved himself at 2600m.
Coast Derby: Caesars Folly proves himself to be too good.
QLD Derby: Looked a match race between the proven 3yo Caesars Folly and the up and coming staying type Mach Alert (to me). Caesars Folly gets scratched. Mach Alert proves himself to be a very good staying type wins easily.
4YO: Draw ruined the race, Lanercost zipped home to strong. Torque In Motion loses no fans.
4/5YO: Lightning Raider's class shows through. Lanercost went massive. Torquie In Motion needs rest. Some drivers took a few too many no doz.
Sunshine Sprint this week, draw will be interesting. Cody Banks is one of them horses that get off the gate way better from out wide then the fence I think. Very important were Lively Highlander draws, he can beat anything except Blackie off the gate, if Cody Banks or a Be Good Johny, Karloo Mick or one of them draw underneath him, they are in trouble. Washakie is the horse thats flying and I think biggest danger to Blackie. Draw will be interesting.
Washakie just had a broken gear problem last Sat. , is that correct?
Yeah broke a hobble, he's flying though. Blackies biggest danger this week.
I agree. He has a big chance , all things being equal. Lots underestimate his ability but he has an enormous heart and looking forward to one of his big tough efforts.
Blackie drawn 2 on saturday night, will lead nothing will cross him. Lanercost in 3, most likely hand the death up to Washakie who has drawn 4. Cody Banks is 5, dont know what they do, Id almost say if they dont go forward they may aswell stay home, give Washakie the 1x1 aswell. Karloo Mick couldnt have drawn worse in 8. Be Good Johnny will have to go around too many from 10. Cant see much else worrying them. Blackie to win.
Watching the replay a couple of times looked like Cody Banks went off stride at the start and all but went into a gallop, would be interesting to see whether he could hold out Blackie if he'd got away cleanly.
I would love to see the old boy Be Good Johnny win this week, but unless they go mad up front I can't see him getting into the race.
Is Lanercost any chance of having a dip from the front? He is brilliant off the gate.
Cody banks didnt have hopple shorterners last saturday night where as the starts before he did so they are going to put them back for this week.
I am sure Lanercost will have a look for the lead on Saturday whether he gets it or not remains to be seen in any event he can race well outside the leader or with a sit.
Hello Montana,
Good luck with Lanercost on Saturday ! I have followed his career from day one, as he is a son of Courage. It will be great to see him strut his stuff against the big boys.
Any update on Annie as I have followed her career closely and think she is a super filly !
Go Lanercost , do your mighty dad proud this weekend. Any horse by CUF immediately comes on my watch list. I am looking forward to Annie's return in the future if fit and well. I really love her. She could be anything.
Thanks guys. it will be fun to see him line up against open company i am sure he will be a good place chance.
Annie is spelling up at my place ( arrived on Sunday ) and doing well , she has grown since i last saw her in the flesh , she is healing ok but she wont be racing this side of Christmas , we will have a crack at some of the nice mares races next year all things going well. She is lightly raced and i would like to give her at least one more campaign before sending her to a nice stallion next season just tossing up which one with so much variety.
Good luck Montana. They'll know he's in the race.
All the best Montana with Lanercost. Hope Annie comes back as good as ever next year.
Thought I would crawl out from under my rock and ask a few tongue in cheek questions.Would CTR have beaten Lightning Raider if their runs were reversed?Would Lanercost have won if McCarthy or Bennett drove him instead of the one dimensional Graham?Is Lanercost a one trick pony who is unbeatable when he leads and isnt attacked like in the Chariots,Vic Derby heat and 4yo championship but is beaten in every big race where he couldnt lead without pressure like Breeders Crown heat and final,Vic Derby and 4&5 yo Championship?CTR beat him in all 4 of those races and finished behind him in Derby heat and 4yo championship so am I still wrong in thinking CTR is a better stayer than Lanercost and remember I said better stayer not better horse?
no.. lanercost is the best 4 yr old in the country
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by smithy
For Lanercost to win on Saturday he would of had to be an absolute freak of nature, i think his run was SUPERB!
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Originally Posted by ramish
There was nothing wrong with Darrels drive on the horse he was a complete victim of circumstances. The lead time in the race was 36.9 and they hardly ever break 37 in fact i think they have once on a saturday night since the 2010 winter carnival , so when they did back off for about 100 meters Darrel went up straight away to sit outside the leader. i and many others would have thought the deathseat horse would have handed up ( even with the 'stablemate' factor ) especially after a lead time like that , then when he tried to get in Darrel was pretty much committed and even then who would have thought the horse in the death would still be getting reigned up when lanercost was a length in front trying to cross. Nothing wrong with Darrels drive just the circumstances didnt turn out as one would have expected in most races.
As far as Lanercost and pressure go i think he did pretty well to hang on for third in that race.
We have always preferred to race him up near the lead against his own age and it has worked pretty well - i would say his record is a fair indication that strategy has had merit . we know we are going to have to drive him with a sit in open company.
I will have to disagree with you ramish.
The underlying factor is ... Lanercost beat Torque In Motion home. To me that says that he went very very well. I can half understand Kylie wanting to hold a forward spot, the horse always races like that and she probably didnt know they were going that fast but Ashlee Sjeika was deadset on drugs, she was kidding! At least than if she handed up Lanercost would of got the death fairly easy and I dare say won. As for Ramish's comments .. theres always what if's in racing. What if Washakie didnt break gear last week and beat Blacks A Fake we'd all be sitting here saying RETIRE HIM! In the end the drive won McCarthy the race, he drove the race like he was driving at Menangle, so so patient. Courage To Rule went really really well and I think as he hits open company he will need races run like that for him to be in the finish as will 90% of horses. There is probably nothing between Lightning Raider and Courage To Rule just the better run won the race. Lanercost is the best horse in that race hands down, any other horse has that run they would be beaten 40m at least. I for one could not have been gunning for Torque In Motion more heading the carnival however I now conceed Lanercost is the better horse at this stage (Torque In Motion only in 2nd prep).
Karloo Mick to put in a big showing in the sprint if Lanercost sit's i think he is in with a big chance of running a hole i think the drive the other night on him was okay he believed he had the best horse in the race and drove him accordingly their is no good coming off the track and wondering what if
i cant see why lanercost wouldnt come out hard at the start winston? fastest horse out of the gate and he needs to try and get across before washakie, also a flyer puts the foot down and i would think washakie would be holding the front with lanercost sitting on his back
Good for you! Blackie has great gatespeed but gee your bloke is breathtaking out! What a tactical race this will be, especially at the start. It's going to be exciting dash to the first turn that's for sure! Good luck :)Quote:
Originally Posted by montana
With this line up if they go hard an exceptional time will be insights I can see Lanercost sitting out side Blacky going a front half in 54 and some and being sitting ducks from behind
When has Lanercost ever gone hard in age company from in front; let alone in open company from the death? Yeah Blacky isn't suited by dawdling...but 54 really. I think you are getting a wee bit too excited natQuote:
Originally Posted by nat
Hi breno
He has been hard off the front gate to get the lead most of his career he's now 4 and has to step it up and he is a capable horse to go hard over the sprint I feel he would get lost on the way home if back in the pack against battle harden horses it Albion Park not Menangle (remember his run at Menangle 25th Feb this year barrier 10 & 25 first quarter)
Yeahh 54 keep dreaming. Lanercost is scratched anyway, obviously didnt pull up too well after last week. Washakie will have a dip for the lead but theres two problems, Blackie comes out faster and John dont get them off the gate as good as Luke. Blackie too lead, 57 .. maybe low 58 first half, run them home in 56 and give nothing a chance, go around 1.54 and another trophy for the champ. I'd probably advise anyone that is in or around the area to get out and have a look, might be the last time we get to see him win at Albion Park, never know what will happen with the draw next week.
I still think if Lanercost was in the race he would have had a little look for the lead but not taken them on like he did last week because he wouldnt have been the best horse in the race this week, his best shot would have been to sit there quietly and out zip them home, his young legs got a bit more zip in them than some of them old timers. 54 first half taking on Blacks A Fake? Than you would have an excuse to cut Darrels nuts off. Never would have happened.
Yes at Menangle and what was the 2nd quarter? 31.4. Add to that montana says they want to drive him quieter in this very thread (which Mr Joe Blow should know anyway)and if they run under 55 the first half I will write a cheque out for a grand to your good self!Quote:
Originally Posted by nat
i rekon washakie will cross blackie, first half in around 59 flat (28.5, 30.5)
hi Montana congrats on your success with the Courages out of the ready to run sale and Lanercost is a beauty.I thought before the race last week the 3 class horses would run 123 as they did and that the 4th horse is a good mare who will never beat the big boys and the rest were out of their depth.I thought Darrel set the race up for the other 2 by making it a staying test which suited their strengths more than his .I think the first 3 will all measure up to open class but will all need the right runs.I was looking forward to watching Lanercost tomorrow night.I hope he has no serious problem and that he and CTR can represent Courage with honour in the Winter cup next week
Hi Montana
Just wondering why Lanercost is scratched.
lanny pulled up pretty well from the run last week bouncing around the paddock the next day , but was a little off his game later in the week so we had a blood done and it would seem he has a minor viral complaint , while it isnt anything major we are always are very conservative and would prefer not to make a small problem worse by racing him. there are plenty of horses down with colds atm and racing them just buggers them up.
its a shame i was really looking forward to racing in open company this week he would have been at his peak fitness wise and had a great draw but we will get our chance. the plan at this stage is to still head towards the breeders crown.
Carn Blacky :)
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