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Very strange response. All I am doing is simply answering your question of where to find out who are the mods of this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Update: The forum moderators now have the title "Super Moderator" showing under their nickname next to their posts.
Take it easy David. It's really no dramas.
Regards
Jaimie
"[VVV] I can understand that to a degree but the Lord helps those who help themselves.
Standing at the bar at yearling sales drinking beers and burbons doesn't ever get it done.
Anyone only needed to be in attendance at the Sydney APG and the day prior and make note of the bigger team NSW Trainers who were there...and how hard they were working in terms of looking at yearlings to get a fair heads up on who is serious and who is not...at least at the deeper end of the pool. Luke was out there, Barry was there, as were Neil Day, Peter Rixon, Peter Russo and from what I saw that was pretty much it. Maybe I have done others a big disservice & they also were there but I didn't see them.
Outside of NSW...Mark Purdon and Natalie were there on Saturday whilst Andy Gath, Noel Alexander & Jayne Davies all never stopped looking both on Saturday and Sunday. It's as always the old story. The harder you work the luckier you get. END."
You musn't have saw Dennis Wilson (brought a couple), Blake Fitzpatrick (brought a couple plus getting the nice ones brought by Liam O'Connor), Mark Purdon and Natalie Rasmussan who all spent the entire Friday afternoon inspecting lot after lot.
Trainers who whinge about other trainers getting 'all the good horses' should get off the ass and put in, prospect new clients, cultivate existing, pr themselves and stop whining.
if your training, it's your business, promote it like everyone else does in outside industry everyday of the week. 90% of trainers bloody whinge about the game and they don't have a good horse like it's the right to get one, yet don't do a thing to try and get one.
I know one consignee on Sunday who promoted her stock really well, and I heard other's knock her for "being a bloody pr machine" yet she went home with all three (3) sold and two (2) of those, WELL above her expectations. She loves the game, works her tale off and got the rewards.
90% of trainers wouldn't even put out a newsletter to their clients or even have a website. It's 2012 ladies and gentleman and they run 1.51 not 2.00 like 'back in the day' so get up, get with it and go and attract owners to your barn.
TJ was the best and a forerunner at it, Gai followed suit and now every galloping stable has a 'racing manager' constantly pr'ing and communicating to their clients, media and the marketplace. Harness trainers still walk around talking about 'back in the day' and their 'one big plunge' at Upper Combucta West many moons ago, blah, blah, blah, boorrring!!!
RegardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Zyuganov Leis;17386
You musn't have saw Dennis Wilson (brought a couple), Blake Fitzpatrick (brought a couple plus getting the nice ones brought by Liam O'Connor), Mark Purdon and Natalie Rasmussan who all spent the entire Friday afternoon inspecting lot after lot.
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Jaimie
Here Here to all the above, to many are stuck in the old way's and wont change so i suppose "you can't help those who wont help themselves".
INteresting read. I have been away on business and not had a chance to catch up. Has there been any response from the Mcarthy stable? I think someone put down the google answers to what the substance is, but i dont think that it explained really why you would use the drug Boldenone. I dont know much about this colt, so How old is he, where was he previously, and is there any record of this drug being given to him as a younger horse? just asking as it seems to be more of a cell building drug, and with such a long half life ..
Could be interesting to follow from this perspective.
I do hope that this is sorted out fast.
The only thing said publicly was by father John in the SMH. He said an im paraphrasing Luke won't be driving Mr feelgood he's staying home to sort out the positive. We think there has been an error made in the way the swab was collected at Newcastle boldenone is long lasting and you can't have clean swabs shortly previously and shortly after.
Privately Luke is shattered and at a complete loss to explain it and had no knowledge of what boldenone even was previous to this.
I guess that he would be shattered. I personally think that this would have to be a mistake. Having met the family, it does not seem plausable. With the other positive on the night it does make for a very unusual case. Good luck to them in getting his name cleared quickly.
Kaybee, this case is in the balance, it is completely unusual, let's not make derogatory accusations..........this one is now best left to the inquiry.......but I still would like to know what level od Boldenone was found, surely that can be released after 2 separate analysts have dealt with the swabs.
Luke has a large stable of horses and no previous misdemeanours...........surely he is innocent, until proven otherwise!
What happened to Kaybee's post..............he was entitled to his thoughts???
Agree he is entitled to his thoughts is a free country.And he was not being defamatory.The truth is Luke has had a positive swab and it now up to him to prove it false.
You answered that question with your own post.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
[QUOTE=barney;17682]Agree he is entitled to his thoughts is a free country.And he was not being defamatory.
In your opinion.???
Funny how all the loudest voices have been banned or suspended for one flimsy reason or another. I have returned from a week in the sin bin because I stated that the next positive was to be BL's. Only BL. Not Barry Lew, not Bin Laden, not Brett Lee or not any name just BL and the precious moderators red carded me. PEA HEARTS.
Now everyone wants to back off because of the theory that there must be something wrong with the swab samples. Someone even stating " This swab is clearly an error at the lab or in the collection of the swab. As has been previously stated bolderone is long lasting and there is no way that a horse can test negative shortly before and shortly after and have a positive in between."
So, someone can now question the integrity of the lab or whoever conducted the swab collection without conviction. It may well be the case but until it is reported publicly, posts like that should not be allowed to be published and should have been deleted as soon as detected by the Mods. Now that it is on public record that a L MaCarthy runner has shown an irregularity, I could say that 'Clearly L Mc adminstered a banned substance to his horse' and I would probably get outed again. Let's have a level playing field. Too many not so defamatory threads have been booted and posters been outed for making trivial comments. Someone needs to grow a pair and let some of the controversy through or your topics are all going to sound like fairy tales or butt kissing.
Hey Tim
When I saw your post referring to BL I thought you were talking about me!!! I don't recall any vets following me with a cup.
I have been on this forum long enough to know that if you infer without backing up statements you run the risk of being banned. As expected when Lukes positive came to light the forum went into overdrive. It would appear that some of those drivers were serial offenders of defamatory statements and/or had dual identitys with barrows to push and have duly been banned. No problems with that. I think you can say that L Mc presented a horse for competition with a banned substance. You can't say L Mc administered a banned substance (or in this case had exceeded the threshold for boldenone). Big difference.
But it would seem to have a knock on effect of stifling conversation on issues that matter. I certainly agree with you on that. When TeeCee is moderating it feels like you need your bush lawyers handbook beside you when posting.
Hey Brad, I think I will nominate you for inaugural president of the Maclean Trotting Club!
Maclean Trotting Club, the Colgate Kid..what next?
Talking about the Colgate Kid, I was only reading the story behind the 1996 Inter Dominion final won by Young Mister Charles...........and the favourite was Sunshine Band driven by the "Colgate Kid".......it seems they were querying him back then about TCO2 levels in the heats.......but decided not to take any action!......it was a good report and brought back lots of memories.
www.harness.org.au/inter/1996p_per.htm
Re, the Maclean Trotting Club there is no track north of Newcastle or east of Tamworth for Brad to go to, which makes it a remote position, his closest would be the Gold Coast.........probably 2.5 - 3 hours away.......thought HRNSW should look at a track up that way......maybe a seachange would be good for everybody!........How is Wagga Beach today?
Pretty calm and quiet this time of day, but it gets a bit crowded when the 5 oclock wave rolls in.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
Perhaps we should add the Colgate kid to the where are they now thread???
That's a good idea!....that's why I started it.....just so we can find out what others are doing these days.........he is probably at Curl Curl surfing!Quote:
Originally Posted by tiny
Quite clearly you have still not read the rules under which this forum operates. Nor have you bothered to read the rules that have been specifically set out for this forum. They are readily available to all who wish to register and contribute constructively to the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSW
Accordingly the rule in part which you breached and continually press the limits on I have printed below.
Hinting that somebody is or might be cheating is the same as saying it directly. We can all read between the lines and that type of carry on is not allowed.
The job of the moderators is to ensure comments made on this forum are civil, not demeaning, is not going bring legal action against any members of this forum nor the owners of Harnesslink. We do that by simply ensuring posts are consistent with the forums' rules. IMO I speak for all moderators that we are not intimidated by posts such as this and will continue to act in the best interests of the vast majority of members and management of HARNESSLINK.
Hey teecee, are you on duty this afternoon? It must be starting to get dark over there, you better put the lamb stew on the stove to warm up!
No just about to go work the team.
.Get the barbie going after that...about 8.!! Sun still bright till 10:30 pm here
Let's assume there is an error with the testing equipment, what would that mean to other recent positives that have been detected by the same labs? Having one sample go to Lab A and detecting an irregularity, it makes obvious sense to send sample two go to Lab B for verification and this is the procedure anyway. If there is an error found, the whole testing procedure gets thrown on its head and all sorts of dramas unfold. Where will that all lead too?
This senario may not be quite correct, in the Smoken Up Inter case the first 2 control samples tested contaminated and the Lab blamed the machine. The sitting committee accepted this explanation by the Lab and you know the result, it's still going.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSW
Brad could always skip down the road to Taree, there's a perfectly good half mile track at the Showground that has been lying idle for a while now, waiting for someone to get things going on the coast again BRAD!!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
There you go you've been nominated ans seconded!!
I think the fact the samples are tested a two different labs rules out contamination of the lab equipment. But it doesn't rule out contamination during the collection of the swab. What if the vet collecting the sample had used boldenone and the contaminants were on his hands??? It would explain two different trainers on the same night going positive.
Swabs have been contaminated by coffee before there was one last year.
It seems there is no hope of some of these old tracks racing again............in Victoria they have gone on a camapign to bring back to life some of the old tracks.........but it is business as usual in NSW, everything leads to Menangle, so who needs so many tracks when the punters just want to bet, and TAB turnover is the prime concern............There are so many tracks in the Riverina and out west, I'm sure something is going to give out that way soon! At the moment that is the place to be, it is thriving!
Tiny, using that logic, Our St Monica should have had a positive for boldenone as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by tiny
Mach Wiper swabbed Race 6
Our St Monicha swabbed race 7
Karloo Kix swabbed race 9
Maybe it wasn't on the vets hands? maybe it was on his/her shirt sleeve?? and this accidentally touched intermittent samples??
When one says the Riverina is thriving you know things must be bad in other places!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Form Student
Dan
I know it sounds unlikely but that is the only plausible explanation I can think of. Mack wiper has returned clean swabs shortly before and after and all the info on boldenone says it stays in the system about 12 months.
TinyQuote:
Originally Posted by tiny
Read what Teecee wrote #149. This may help you.
I asked one of the stewards if all prohibited substances were tested for in each swab and he said they are. So back to the only theory left.Quote:
Originally Posted by murray green
I just meant there is quite a lot of activity down their with the number of meetings, trials, number of races at a meeting and full fields etcQuote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
The other theory is masking agentsQuote:
Originally Posted by tiny
That is it..........and if it is.......we are going to need some very highly qualified vets/forensics to argue the point! This could be the begining of a new TV series Miami Newcastle CSI!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
Don't just cover one night in Newcastle. How about a mini series covering the last twelve months. I recon it would be top of the rateings.
Care to elaborate on that suggestion Barney?
What substances would you suggest are being used as a masking agents ?
What drugs are those masking agents attempting to disguise the presence of ?
From a chemistry/testing regime aspect, how exactly do these masking agents succeed in covering up the presence of illegal substances?
Unless of course it was all just more of a 'throw-away line'?
[VVV] That's a pretty foolish answer for a Steward to give you Andy because common sense dictates that courtesy of the couple of tubes of blood they take, pathology wise it is just physically impossible to pull enough blood to test for everything on the performance enhancing radar...on top of it being financially ridiculously expensive to do so. Add that to the fact that there is no shotgun/fishing net style multi platform test for nefarious substances, there never has been and there most likely never will be and the real answer is of course, no they are not. The test for used to detect bute is not the test for a narcotic which in turn is of course not the test for a hormone which is not the test for micera which is in turn not the test for elevated TCO2 etc etc etc. With the garden variety things I think they just get picked up as a matter of course but at the same time with the less common/more exotic substances I think it's more than reasonable to suggest that the Stewards have to strongly suspect that a specific substance is being used in order to zero in their testing. For example, if a trainer was using an obscure human dementia drug as in fact was the case in the US last year, no way any of the run of the mill tests would ever pick it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiny