Arty who told you its needs to be used on race day?
That's a long way from the truth.
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Arty who told you its needs to be used on race day?
That's a long way from the truth.
I can assure you that I'm NOT sticking up for them. Mark keeps saying woof woof in the background, does that help.
I didnt mean you Trish sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Haha yes that helps.
From my understanding it can be used up to 3 days out?
It can also be used on day of the race.
Maybe Mr Peterson is giving us an insight into something. .......
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso
No worries.
Best results can be obtained using it several weeks out.
Ahh ok. I don't even think HRNSW knows enough about it to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I did see today Darren Smith was stood down by racing NSW after a stable inspection and cobalt irregularities
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/nsw-stew...7/default.aspx
There ya go . Saves everyone looking for it
Ooops!!
I bet all the honest trainers in thoroughbred racing love Darren Smith too! a career littered with multiple substance breaches!
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/nsw-stew...7/default.aspx
My previous post has been removed by Teecee, I understand why but I am still aloud to say. .
WOOF WOOF!
The stewards in this country for all codes are piss weak, this guy had 8 drug relatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Danno
changes before and his still been training. Stuff this fineing or 6-12months crap. The industry
needs to grow a big pair of balls, regradeless of what drug it is, bi carb , epo or cc,what ever,their
caught with. First time caught 5 years, second,10 years and,of their stupid enough for a third give
them life. The pentiles they give out are a joke.
Spot on Jack! Its just a revolving door at the moment.
What people specifically are you speaking up for Arty - name some cleanskins that have been singled out on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty
What is your involvement or qualification that makes you knowledgeable on this topic?
Has an abusive post been deleted or are you only referring to those still posted? TIP: Ocean swimmers smear themselves with lard to protect their sensitive skin
LOL your last sentence is as one way as you get as you seem to be suggesting there is only ONE mindset
I had a post deleted mate because I suggested that "Arty" wasnt who he said he was and that he was in fact a certain guilty trainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
However I cant prove my theory so moderators removed my post.
Arty
I had a trainer come up to me complaining bout people talking bout him accusations of using drugs I thought about this for a while since and I have a suggestion for trainers worried about it , open your stable to the accusers offer them a few weeks observing training and feeding regimes and race day preps , kill the rumours straight up that way ,
When Trish won the trainers premiership at Newcastle the talk was the same but her and her training partner were living and training on my property and I dispelled lots of rumours cause I was there 99% of the time and can gaurentee no drenches were used no drugs of any sort
Also my time training in the U.S opened my eyes up to the stuff being used lots if stuff that wouldn't make a blip on a drug test back then ,
Also a lot of Chinese herbs are coming in that won't pick up in a swab but are well known to help bleeders and act as painkillers , couple of Newcastle stables using I know of due to loose lips by drunk stable associates
Since when have herbs been drugs!
Not saying they are but depends on when given to horse ?
A lot of them have to be given race day and that's illegal
A rule I believe is wrong I think vitamins , and electrolytes should be able to be given on race days especially hot days
I feel sorry for every stable in Newcastle with a post like that ,you have slurred every stable in Newcastle because of a couple of so called drunks at a pub .herbs for Christ sake I better get my horses of honey and garlic,anyway if a natural herb stops a horse bleeding isn't that good that allows that horse to reach it natural ability without using drugs
I know there was one certain herb ( the name escapes me atm),Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclone george
That you could buy from Garrards that used correctly aided in the stopping of bleeding.
To be used correctly it would be used in a pre race administration.
The product is no longer available at Garrards
Trish do I need to say anymore . Read the first and last paragraphs,there no signitific proof they do anything, and are basically useless except maybe if your horse has depression. For Christ sake if people believe herbs and vitamins give your horses to race above there ability then I believe Jesus will reappear next week. All they do is maintain a healthy immune system in your horse hopefully but a lot of that is unproven. They did a human trail on vitamin and herb pills on about fifty people that swore that they felt better on there supplement program ,they gave 30 of the 50 make beleive pills for one month at the end of the trail every one ,that's right 100% said they were still on there supplement program. I don't know if they could run faster though and I'm not sure if the trial was in Newcastle
I not having a go at you but most drugs are derived from plants, this is apparent from a number of people having positive swabs from horses grazing in paddocks.
Also it has been proven a vitamin supplement everyday you will live longer. That is fact. People on the east coast have a 4 times more likely chance of dying of a heart attack than the west coast & this has been accredited to the mineral content in the water.
Mate I take vitamins & minerals everyday.
If that's a fact Trish kiwis would live for ever with there mineral water,no wonder all there doctors are over here
I use Chinese herbs on my horses , how have I slurred them ? Used correctly herbs are fine , I'm sorry if I slurred all stables in Newcastle cause a couple of stable hands like to boast at the trots I was just stating what I've been told
Sorry I reread my posts and yes they do sound slanderous and I'm sorry for it , I was trying to put forward that it's not so clear cut anymore traditional doping is gone and trainers getting more sophisticated and with google now you can find almost anything you want the cobalt issue just confirms that point a item used in a lot of horse products used in big enough doses can affect performance
Each trainer has there own husbandry practices they believe in.
If it be certain vitamins daily, a iron injection once a week, your herbal medicine,
Bute after a race to aid recovery.
A saline drench or drip before or after a race.
Everyone has there own practice they believe in.
None are incorrect however if you get a positive swab then they obviously are.
If you choose to administer something that swabs you are playing with fire, its a risk you take.
You are only a cheat once you get caught IMO LOL
Cobalt Chloride use had been detected in Victoria
Darryl Sherer - 1/06/2014
Victorian-trained horses had been detected with excessive levels of Cobalt Chloride in their system prior to it being listed as a prohibited substance.
Racing Victoria chief steward Terry Bailey said there had been evidence of its use and that had prompted Racing Victoria to identify it and introduce a threshold limit of 200 micrograms per litre in urine from April 14 this year.
"Cobalt occurs naturally in a horse and introducing rules for a threshold was not straightforward but we are fortunate the Racing Victoria board and Bernard Saundry backed us by putting a rule in place and it puts us on solid ground in Victoria.” Bailey said on Radio RSN Sunday.
Racing NSW stewards conducted a search of trainer Darren Smith’s Broadmeadow stables on Friday morning and found evidence of Cobalt Chloride use, scratching Smith’s two runners at Rosehill on Saturday and refusing nominations of horses trained by him.
Bailey said ‘posession of Cobalt Chloride is an offence’ for licenced persons and the Racing NSW case is ‘interesting and one that we will watch with interest’
"All we want is an equal playing field and we are satisfied that the rule we have in place is adequate until further tests are done on this substance,” he said.
Bailey confirmed that swab samples had detected horses with elevated levels of Cobalt Chloride in their system prior to the threshold limit rule being introduced.
"Since the rule came in we’re certainly pleased and confident we don’t have an issue with it here (Victoria) based on the results so far.
"We did have some evidence of that prior to the rule being implemented but I’m pleased to say the rule seems to have served as a deterrent and our tests are suggesting that.” he said.
Every swab sample taken in Victoria from April 14 has been tested for Cobalt Chloride.
This has to been the greatest piss take of all time. Basically will work out witch trainers are over the limit, give them plenty of warning to stop then start testing for it what a joke. Terry Bailey has said in the past their know about it possible use for over 12 months and hong kong have had their level set at 100mg for some time.
Yet harness racing always cops the bad rap, because some of the time we go after people before the fact. Yet the gallops of course are so clean when they race for millions of dollor and we race for a few thousand. Your got to have a good laugh at this.
Harness Racing Australia goes global in its war ondrugs
Date May 31, 2014
Chris Roots
Racing writer for The Sydney Morning Herald
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Harness Racing Australia in collaboration with theOntario Racing Commission is set to go live with sharing integrity informationon July 1 to help in the battle with prohibited substances.
The initiative, part of the new "InternationalRacing Integrity Intelligence System", is aimed at making it easier forregulatory authorities around the world to share information quickly.
Harness Racing NSW integrity chief Reid Sanders hasplayed a big role in its development and HRA chief executive Andrew Kelly willonce again present it to the International Trotting Association as chair of itsmeeting in Chicago this week.
"The second day of the meeting is focused onintegrity. Most people have seen IRIIS and want to be a part of it," Kellysaid. "It has been running successfully in test mode for some time and wego live on July 1."
Sanders has been in contact with thoroughbred chiefstewards about the system and the World Anti-Doping Agency has shown someinterest in it.
It played a role in HRNSW leading the nation in thecobalt investigation. Sanders and his team have already outed two trainers forthe use of racing's latest designer drug and have stood down anotherhalf-dozen.
Cobalt works like Erythropoietin in that it needsto build up over time but a dose is usually given within 24 hours of racing tohave best effect, as it is quickly out of a horse's system.
"We have a threshold level and we believe ourwork has had a big effect on the use of cobalt in our sport," Sanderssaid. "In September last year, our intelligence was that it was widelyused in equine athletes.
"Our focus has shifted to something else, nowwe have a rule in place, which appears to be working."
Meanwhile, Kelly said the export of Australiantrotting to France had a landmark day last weekend. The two races fromMenangle, including the NSW Oaks, were beamed into France at lunchtime onSaturday and they out-held (money-wise the Elitloppet meeting in Sweden.
Finally a postive to come out of all this. Looks like both codes of racing can finally put aside egos, petty differences and work together for the benefit of both codes.Should have happen years ago, but better late than never. I can't understand why all 3 codes of racing are not working together state wide and australia wide. Surely all 3 codes need to come under the one brand of racing, to realise the benefits of working together on matters of Integrity, promotion and to pool all our resources together to benefit everyone
Welcome Jeff but you need to look down the page. There is a thread on Cobalt that has had about 19,000 views. We have all done it - a beginners mistake. Cheers
Here we go again! So you want an open discussion on cobalt, but post that slanderous garbage. You can probably knock this troll quickly on the head TeeCee.
Oops - I did not open the link, lucky you are on the ball Leigh
Night shift Kev!
From a punting point of view, publishing of that data has certainly helped me - similar to how it has helped the horses.
They keep coming Trish ,
Just wondering if they did develop a test for Products that work similar to EPO such as aranesp ?
At least 8 more to go ,good riddens!