Plenty of trainers are 'flexible' when it comes to integrity - Nathan Jack was on 4 favourites at Kilmore tonight
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...s/?mc=KI201118
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Plenty of trainers are 'flexible' when it comes to integrity - Nathan Jack was on 4 favourites at Kilmore tonight
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...s/?mc=KI201118
Umm, what am I missing> How come this guy is still driving?
Suspensions don't start until the 24th Trev
Ah!
Only in Victoria can you instantly lose your (car) driver's license instantly for going a bit too quick or having three quick pots. Rig a race result, you can string out the inevitable for a couple of years.
Showgrounds, it happens in every state !
Minor civil incursions are dealt with promptly. The case in question has been delayed, adjourned, appealed and appealed again for over two years. It is disgracefully long time; the industry needs to move on and the Cobram Three need to get on with whatever their next chosen careers will be.
It's amazing who turns up at the traffic lights, squeegee in hand!
Ho, hum! Here we go again:
VCAT Notice of Stay Hearing tomorrow
22 November 2018
Harness Racing Victoria (HRV) has been advised that Mr Nathan Jack, Mr Mark Pitt and Ms Lisa Bartley have applied for a Notice of Stay hearing at the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal.
The hearing will be heard tomorrow.
Mr Jack, Mr Pitt and Ms Bartley are appealing against the Harness Racing Victoria Racing Appeals and Disciplinary (RAD) Board decision to suspend their licences (handed down on November 16).
https://www.harness.org.au/media-roo...?news_id=38858
The three's application for review was only part heard and was to resume today (29/11) - the suspensions have remained in place until VCAT makes a decision
Lets hope the judge doesn't give a decision until after the ID18 final ! Better yet I think he should take the xmas break to think about it !
Better still VCAT dismissed the appeal and
all licenses held by Lisa Bartley, Nathan Jack and Mark Pitt remain suspended; any horses owned or trained by them are prevented from racing or trialling; and they are excluded from attending any racecourse.
http://www.harness.org.au/media-room...?news_id=39052
Still trying to find the 75% like button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Was anyone else surprised at the choice of Amanda Turnbull as the replacement driver for suspended Mark Pitt on Hurricane Harley?
Couldn't it be seen as thumbing your nose at the Integrity Team? Or am I drawing a long bow?
I can see where your coming from but it’s a bit of a stretch. Bottom line is court determine insufficient evidence to proceed against Amanda and she is as available to drive as any other driver, and in this instance more available to drive then other drivers of similar ilk as they already had long standing commitments to other horses. I think Amanda may train one or two now for Lauriston bloodstock as well.
Look at available drivers Stewarts use and Pitt and Jack are out and G Lang seems to be out of favour since the Hectorjayjay days (but did drive Demon Delight) so its really just Alford left, while Van Der Brande gets the 2nd stringers.
Just going for who they think is the best available driver. Could hardly argue there is a better freelance driver around to pick.
I am extremely disappointed that this type of innuendo is aired on this forum. For those that need to know Amanda is not only one of the best freelance drivers in the industry but also a long time friend . We put the best drivers on our horses wherever possible and this was no exception. Accusations of this nature do not help our industry and are an insult to our integrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
I knew it was being a little controversial but it really seemed a strange coincidence.
I cannot say I thought it was anything more than that but wondered whether the stewards would be bemused at how things turn out
At no point did I think AT was selected for that reason but when we talk about what 'helps our industry' don't we have to consider how things can look
Eg. When a driver suspended over very serious allegations is replaced by the partner of his accused, who was someone that was also questioned early in the investigation
i dont think your bow is the long as you think. good eucalypt trees in victoria for visiting wildlife to be fed on.
County Court June 20
http://www.harness.org.au/media-room...?news_id=39353
Whatever became of this pre-trial hearing?
I see Nathan received a $1500 fine for:
Mr Jack’s attendance at the Shepparton
Harness Racing Club trial meeting on 21 February 2019 when Mr Jack was
subject to an order of the HRV Stewards which excluded him from attending all
racecourses.
http://www.harness.org.au/NEWS/news2...%20Release.pdf
I have lost track of where we are at with this trio, a result of the system or lack of
I received a pm which thought their appeals may be coming up this month
We will have to keep checking HRA's Steward news as this is the only place we are likely to find any updates
http://www.harness.org.au/media-room...ries/#stewards
There has not been much there of late - too many people on holidays?
http://www.harness.org.au/media-room...?news_id=50255
Jack, Pitt and Bartley county court appeals successful
https://harnesslink.com/australia/co...-fixing-probe/
Now a complaint has been made to the Racing Integrity Commissioner
Nathan Jack has his license back
Just a reminder for old trots followers who may have forgotten what "The Cobram Three" have ultimately been found not guilty of, here is the result of race 4 from Cobram on Monday 22 June 2015.
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...s/?mc=CO220615
Nathan Jack drove the leader Tooram Lad. In the first lap of the race he turned his head to see what the opposition was up to 8 times, 5 times to the right and 3 times to the inside.
He only turned his head to the right 3 times in the last lap, no doubt because his horse was running its back straight quarter in an incredible 27.1 seconds! He didn't have to turn his head after that because the winner was right beside him.
The stewards made no mention of Jack's ever swivelling head or allowing his horse to run a crazy 27.1 third quarter of its last mile. The only mention is that Tooram Lad pulled hard in the middle stages of the race. Apparently a driver of Jack's experience couldn't settle the horse. It didn't stop him from hitting the horse with the whip from before the 400 metre post though.
Had Brian Gath been able to spoil the party (beaten a short half head) this whole affair may never have seen the light of day.
The law moves in mysterious ways. As of today Nathan Jack is a re-licenced A grade trainer and driver. Don't bother watching the race replay 'coz the kid is innocent! And Santa Claus has traded his his herd of reindeer on a pen of flying pigs.
As Danno said in a post pages/years ago, if the stewards had acted on the day and given him 6mths it would have been all over 6yrs ago
Yep. A long drive home on a Monday for overworked stewards though. POQ.
What about Adelaide for him and Turnbull? Has that been swept under the carpet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
The fact that thirteen and a half months after stating charges would be laid against Amanda Turnbull WOULD be laid yet still haven't suggests the rug has been lifted, dropped and it is business as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by thepacingman
This is total BS and makes a mockery of any stewards action against any perceived or proven wrongdoings by licenced persons. Regardless of Jack's success in overturning his conviction with his alleged co-conspirators in the Cobram disgrace he was an unlicensed person entrusted by Turnbull to take horses to Adelaide and train them on her behalf. There cannot be a claim of innocence in this fact. Then there is the often overlooked prior by Jack for a similar offence:
https://integrity.thetrots.com.au/ne...tammy-gibbons/
Jack thumbed his nose at the entire industry by taking charge of those horses on the Adelaide trip. Then there is his girlfriend Amanda. More protected than koalas? It appears so. Who else could plead guilty for presenting a horse to race with a prohibited substance, be given a 3 month disqualification then lodge an appeal and be given a seemingly open ended "stay of proceedings"? Had thylacines been granted such liberties they'd still be running wild in Tasmania.
The karma bus always has its engine idling. This duo seem to believe they are impervious to application of the rules of harness racing. Busted authorities such as HRSA only add to this perception by its inaction. Unfortunately thinking you have got away by pulling a swift once, twice or even three times leads habitual cheats and rorters into believing the situation will never change.
But the karma bus is always running. Now it is crewed by highly peeved HRV stewards and Victorian cops who will be keeping very close observations on the activities of the two.
Mark Pitt was also re-licenced on 18 January.
Trev and Stephen, I don't know what has happened to the SA charges but I do know from my dealings with Chief Steward Graham Loch that he would have / would be doing everything possible to ensure integrity in racing over there.
Glad to hear that. Looking forward to a relevant HRSA media release with baited breath!Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger