The ASBP Report: How can they be serious? Bad news for harness owners

haven't study the paper in depth but why aren't all horse coming to oz even temporarily slugged the fee after all most of the temporary imports are likely to remove the most money from the pool for aussie owners.

For mine ALLl imported horse should pay a minimal fee but pay a levy on their earnings to fund the breeders scheme. This way new owners can continue to buy entry level horses at a minimal cost at ANY time rather then have to wait until a yearling sale and then another year or there abouts. Owners buying more expensive therefore expected to win more horse will pay proportionally more if they are successful.

New owners are going to have to come from Gen Y their interest will only be held with immediate gratification. But after they are "hooked" they can be encouraged to buy yearlings from the sales with all the bells and whistles (ie sales race/futurity eligibility) because of their greater earning capacity.

Just a thought, should still make breeders happy and only the successfull owners of imports are charged out of money that they earn, not have to find from somewhere else.

Most of you don't want people who import horses to pay for this plan, but your not suggesting any viable alternatives. If you come up with something better they might consider it. And don't just think about protecting your own pocket. Don't forget that the Aus harness racing industry has been propping up the kiwis for years now. If they couldn't sell their horses here and come and take our big prize money they would be in big trouble.

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Originally Posted by Greg Hando

75 NZ horses imported to AUS in July that's got to help the breeding industry in AUS (NOT)

How does it make the breeding industry worse off though?

I'm going to guess the answer. Because the Aus bred horses aren't getting purchased.

Well maybe if the Aus Bred horses were bred better they would get purchased. (That probably came out wrong, I am aware NZ have a lot of crap bred horses and Aust has a lot of awesome bred horses)

Let's say Optus can only supply dial up internet. They can't get cranky when people choose to go to Telstra who have broadband. I'm not drinking VB when I can drink Bourbon (or visa versa for some).

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

How does it make the breeding industry worse off though?

I'm going to guess the answer. Because the Aus bred horses aren't getting purchased.

Well maybe if the Aus Bred horses were bred better they would get purchased. (That probably came out wrong, I am aware NZ have a lot of crap bred horses and Aust has a lot of awesome bred horses)

Let's say Optus can only supply dial up internet. They can't get cranky when people choose to go to Telstra who have broadband. I'm not drinking VB when I can drink Bourbon (or visa versa for some).

Thought it was pretty obvious It is 75 less horse's that may have been purchased here allowing the breeder to breed better quality through the money they may have made mare's could have been put to better stallion's and better stallion's purchased and/or leased to stand at stud perhap's we might see a few more better credentialled sire's coming out here

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Originally Posted by gutwagon

Most of you don't want people who import horses to pay for this plan, but your not suggesting any viable alternatives. If you come up with something better they might consider it. And don't just think about protecting your own pocket. Don't forget that the Aus harness racing industry has been propping up the kiwis for years now. If they couldn't sell their horses here and come and take our big prize money they would be in big trouble.

Gutwagon - you are not alone in your view.

Let me give you a telling fact.

FACT: The panel approached the breeders looking at a registration fee for broodmares on an annual basis to help fund the NBCS in part 'from their own'. It was SCREAMED down. Breeders not willing to help themselves.

FACT: Australian breeders produce a lot of rubbish. And then cry poor. I breed, but I have very little sympathy for those whom roll the dice and get burnt. It is part and parcel of the game. The Import Fee was one of two things and two things only that pissed me off about this report. The other was the failure to acknowledge that EVERYONE ELSE in the industry is battling under increasing costs.

What - Breeders are the only ones whom have costs going up? Please. Fuel price rises after EVERYONE.

FACT: The Import Fee attacks the bottom end of the food chain in terms of NZ purchases. The cheapest point of entry (meaning cheapest horses) are the ones hurt the most.

This flat rate import fee benefits the wealthy owners because it is chicken feed to them.

FACT: Harness Racing isn't travelling that well (barring NSW). Any fee must be diluted over the entire participant population (something mentioned many times but you seem to continually ignore that) so that it does not mean one less horse is purchased. This $5k fee WILL lead to less horses being purchased net.

The Breeders will argue that the plan will be to replenish those Kiwis that would otherwise have come over, BUT - they play a dangerous game of losing owners / owners reducing their interest in the sport.

What makes me laught is the rank stupidity that so many in harness racing exhibit. It is like Peter VLandys whom steadfastly believes that if you ban all competition from the TABs (wiping out corporate bookmakers and betting exchanges), every single betting dollar would migrate to the TAB dollar for dollar.

It seems just as many think if you make it harder for people to afford the affordable end of the Kiwi market, they will simply transfer their purchasing to the domestic market horse for horse. Well I think we have some news - you are sadly deluded.

Thats harness racing.

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Originally Posted by Greg Hando

Thought it was pretty obvious It is 75 less horse's that may have been purchased here allowing the breeder to breed better quality through the money they may have made mare's could have been put to better stallion's and better stallion's purchased and/or leased to stand at stud perhap's we might see a few more better credentialled sire's coming out here

Never before has an accountant/business processed the sales BEFORE the cost of sales. Why should breeding be different? Spend first; then recieve the sale.

I mean you don't see owners asking for the stakesmoney before paying the import fee

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Originally Posted by gutwagon

Most of you don't want people who import horses to pay for this plan, but your not suggesting any viable alternatives. If you come up with something better they might consider it. And don't just think about protecting your own pocket. Don't forget that the Aus harness racing industry has been propping up the kiwis for years now. If they couldn't sell their horses here and come and take our big prize money they would be in big trouble.

Next ANZAC Day can somebody remind me not to play 2 up with a Breeder. Their rules are heads they win, tails I lose.

I have to jump in here just for a second. Not to argue the merits of what was proposed, but rather to alert some of you as to why action was needed.

Fact 1: Harness racing is dependant upon horses

Fact 2: Harness racing prizemoney is dependent upon turnover derived from racing. Racing requires HORSES

Fact 3: The amount of HORSES being bred each year is dropping at a significant rate

Fact 4: Unless more horses are bred, we will not be able to fill fields and there will be less races which will result in less prizemoney and which will ultimately lead to less owners and harness racing will die a slow, painful death.

In order to address these issues, HRA seeing that we need more horses decided to commission a panel to try and INCREASE THE NUMBER OF AUSTRALIAN FOALS .

Now to date, very few, if any people have argued that the recommendations put forward are not fantastic iniatives. These proposals need to be funded by the INDUSTRY as a whole(breeders, stallion owners and owners). To date, a very small section has voiced their disapproval at some of the suggested measures and that is perfectly fine. My suggestion is that if you dont like something come up with a viable alternative.

Hopefully, this will bring the debate back to the critical issues.

PS - if you feel strongly and have some good ideas, put them in writing. I can assure you that they will be given serious consideration

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

How does it make the breeding industry worse off though?

I'm going to guess the answer. Because the Aus bred horses aren't getting purchased.

Well maybe if the Aus Bred horses were bred better they would get purchased. (That probably came out wrong, I am aware NZ have a lot of crap bred horses and Aust has a lot of awesome bred horses)

Let's say Optus can only supply dial up internet. They can't get cranky when people choose to go to Telstra who have broadband. I'm not drinking VB when I can drink Bourbon (or visa versa for some).

yes, Aussie breno that is correct, but guess what. You pay more for a Telstra service than an Optus service and more for bourbon than beer!