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Originally Posted by Messenger
Where in the next to jump que, but given bet 365 bans any successful harness punter being in the top ten might not do much for us
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Originally Posted by Messenger
Where in the next to jump que, but given bet 365 bans any successful harness punter being in the top ten might not do much for us
Now now. They dont ban you. You are allowed to have a couple dollars on odds on favourites !Quote:
Originally Posted by Dot
Of course everything is in the queue but they have 10 sports on their header/toolbar and we don't even get a gig ahead of DartsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dot
Oh of course, we all know how many of those we have, think Kev knows how many of those win too!Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Think the issue is bigger then their tool bar Kev, we don’t need to get in their toolbar, we need to get them out of our marketplace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
You would have about the same chance of having Melbourne Cup day being changed to Hunter Cup day
You might be surprised Kev, the Australian market has not been as lucrative for them as they thought, and they have gone through a good deal of the available punting population already. Hence why so many of the corporates have merged to keep their operations profitable. Point of consumption tax plus making them except minimum bet limits from all punters and having to close the accounts of losing problem gamblers could see their presence significantly reduced and possibly a withdrawal from the marketplace if their operations become increasingly unprofitable.
HRNSW has just announced a brand new carnival for Wagga starting in 2020 which will see 4 new Gr 1 races run in NSW. 2 for 4yos and 2 for 5yos. Heats and Finals. 30 runners in each series.
http://www.harnesslink.com/Internati...r-the-Riverina
Re: Cranbourne Thursday night. Another black eye.
7 races with fields of 9, 8, 6, 7, 6, 6, 6.
From the stewards report.
Race one, no reason given why the horse did not arrive.
RACE 1 – DECRON PACE (2080 MS)
Modern Chic was a late scratching at 5.29 pm due to the mare failing to arrive on-course by the prescribed time.
RACE 2 – SBG ACCOUNTANTS & BUSINESS ADVISORS PACE (2080 MS)
As Zac Phillips was held up in traffic enroute to the track stewards permitted Monique Burnett to be substituted as the driver for Midnight Rattler.
Most dress casually for the trots and I may be accused of being a snob here but if you were in the ownership of the short favourite in the Gp2 Cochran Cup - would you consider wearing something other than a Chicago Bulls singlet for your winning pic with legend Graeme Lang?
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Originally Posted by Messenger
Yup!
We are going bad when there is no semaphore display on track.
You don't realize how much you refer to it until it goes missing
Apparently the 2 HRV have are out of action.
It would want to be phenomenal circumstances otherwise I am thinking that whoever has the maintenance contract gets a FAIL
I fully agree with these comments. The dress code for on track presentations is listed in the Tabcorp Park Racebook, yet is NOT enforced. It is our ‘ metro’ track and standards should be set and maintained. HRV are not helping our image publicity wise either: they published the same photo in the lift out in the Herald Sun promoting our big night of Group 1 racing !Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Surely you two can not be serious. All that ails the industry and you want to complain about a guy who was obviously wrapped to win a big race for wearing a Chicago Bulls singlet over an adidas t shirt and the dress code! Sure he’s not likely to win fashion on the field but he’s not there for that, he’s there to support his horse, having invested his hard earned in our industry. We need to be encouraging more like him to be part of an inclusive not exclusive trots family. You want more young people to attend then do away with the dress code, and maybe they will become members as well.
Certainly Gloucester Park could do with some young members, but perhaps you’d be more comfortable there Ann, they do enforce the dress code, and you’ll be lucky if you see anyone in the members there under 60, likely considerably more, as GP heads for the same fate as HP.
What is our image Ann? Just an industry for the toffs who like to dress up? ( Nothing wrong with that if it’s how you feel comfortable dressing) How about working blokes or gals and families aren’t they welcome too? Shouldn’t we be trying to get more people to all our races not just those who like to dress up. I think it was a great photo to show that we are a place for all. (Ok if we’re being picky there wasn’t a women in it but we all know just how inclusive of women the trots are)
But yes Ann/Kev, GA is from an era where people dressed up to go to the trots, but he was smart enough to know 20years ago it wasnt like that anymore and is certainly as welcoming of a bloke in a Chicago Bulls singlet in the ownership of his horses as anyone else.
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As an aside, have you noticed any variation in the way races have been run Kev? Sectional times don't have to be adhered to.
As a further aside, I'm not sure if there are actually more $4500 races being run but with the first prize money of $2250 there seems to be a higher quality of horse racing in them. And considering a lot of non penalty are/have been run at Melton, does anyone, punters, care there is no sectional time requirement in these?
Sent from Dot
The Weaver/Bruscemi ownership group, one of the most successful in the US industry for many many years at the presentation for Warrawee Ubeaut fastest 2yo mile in history.
Dot, Ann and myself may be out of touch (and my dislike of basketball showing through LOL)
Maybe that is one of our 'points of difference' with the gallops for it sure would not happen there (for a Gp1)
Although they have a cross-section of dressers at their big meets it seems that plenty like to dress up and the owners are always
Is it a coincidence that they are the code that is attracting the big money
I know nothing about US gallops but US harness is apparently going backwards like us
Overall, you're right that dress code is not a serious problem, just a personal irk of mine when I saw that pic being taken - maybe even snobbish :eek:
A good crowd at Stawell's Australia Day meet yesterday but my wife and I both laughed that by far the predominant hair colour in the lounge/bistro was grey and I don't think the scant dress code had anything to do with that. The club had tried to attract the families and younger crowd (band, laser tag etc) and had some success but overall I think the average age of the crowd would still have been pushing 60
I am reminded of a time 25yrs ago when at a quiet Yarra Valley meet I took my son (< 10yo) into the members with me. The President at the time (I would be guessing his name now but the one who looked like a bulldog) told me he had to leave even though he was just sitting quietly and there were very few in there (but included a couple of babies). No surprise my son was not a convert to the trots
Until yesterday I did not know about the semaphore problem (I am pretty sure there was one at Ballarat, as I would be surprised if I did not notice the absence of one). I wondered why I was seeing no 'Driver Fined' when I saw the slow first half sectionals in some race results. I think you are right that nobody cares but I would think that it has to be advantageous to the leader in what is already a leader dominated codeQuote:
Originally Posted by arlington
Kev the gallops industry is a code in two half’s even more so then we are. Whilst the big end of town continues to get bigger many of the smaller and country trainers on every continent are struggling to remain viable
Only 6races/38 runners at the Cranbourne meeting tomorrow night. Why do I get the feeling we are doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
It appears that the loss of revenue from the French PMUs decision to stop wagering on our product is in the order of $16m ouch
Yikes that would be massive. I wonder how the continuing trot orientated Monday meets are going locally turnover wise and indeed how much of the trots revival was aimed at having an international audience?
Wish our governments ( and NZs) understood supporting the racing industry, particularly the breeding sector, is not subsidising a failing industry but investing in sustaining agribusiness, rural communities and ensuring open space for generations to come as they do in the US. Nothing against the revenues from wagering taxes going to the hospitals and charities fund but don’t they realise that directing more of the wagering taxes in a manner that supports our agribusiness, ie predominantly the breeding sector, may result in more people employed and less in need of charitable organisations or government provided hospital care and a flow on effect of greater revenue from wagering and other taxes. Might have a full Hunter Cup and more horses left in NZ if they did.
http://www.harnesslink.com/USA/LAWMA...IC-NJ-INDUSTRY
Just rereading my source for this that amount could be the total amount wagered over the past 4/5 years. It has been growing since inception so the loss going forward is still in the millions annually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dot
I assumed that Dot. Ray Chaplin showed me that HRA had international revenue around $6m the last couple of seasons and we are assuming this would mostly be Vic's french venture
A big crowd in attendance for the Hunter
A good mix of ages is promising too
I am thinking a huge percentage of them are Melton locals
I reckon there were as many if not more food choices at Ballarat on Cup Night but there was enough and a few family friendly attractions
$69 for the buffet might have been a bit rich (it may have been great food ) as I saw a couple of large empty tables
16% increase in sale average at APG. Two $100k plus lots but appeared to be better demand and prices for middle tier lots which is good for everyone. Would have been disappointment for some as the sale tailed off noticibly towards the end.
The stakes difference between Melton and Menangle is becoming huge if you look at their secondary meet for the week
Melton seems locked into Monday nights
Last night we had 9 races with the mix producing the average prizemoney of <$6k per race
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...s/?mc=MX110219
Menangle's usual Tuesday meet today
has 8 races with the average prizemoney per race of >$9k
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...s/?mc=PC120219
So at the premier track of each state we are seeing the NSW folk racing for 55% more
Looking at the first half times being recorded, I am thinking that we still do not have any semaphore boards on trackQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
What could be taking so long?
Any chance the Media and Communications Department might let the public know?
7 of 11 races at Melton tonight only $10k - I guess this is how we pay for a $60k Terang Cup tomorrow night
I think you will find the Terang Club found the extra funds, not HRV :)
Wasn’t there an announcement last year from David Martin that Melton was going back to Saturday night meetings in the new year instead of the mix between Saturday and Friday nights? It is Friday night tonight isn’t it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
I had not been to Terang harness before last night.
It was good to meet poster Carol/Yabbie who told me that the new committee have done amazing work in the last 12mths.
The Cup purse doubled this year to $60k
I wondered whether the field and crowd would have been much different if it had stayed at $30k
The reason I ask is I wondered whether some of this money could have been put towards facilities
The track is excellent and the facilities pretty good but I have no doubt if the club were offered $30k for improvements they would find numerous ways to spend it
Possibly the money was only obtained for Cup sponsorship
The crowd was good and the racing excellent so hopefully turnover was good (although they needed a couple more tote windows open)
ps The same crowd next year could attract a few more mobile food vendors eg a real coffee van, pizza truck, maybe even ice cream ....
That would be akin to putting the cart before the horse Kev.
In the Herald Sun today
On the Ando's Shout page (Jon Anderson)
Rein In Cheating
The greyhound and horse racing industries have had the blowtorch applied in recent years, whereas harness racing has largely been left alone.
Don't expect that to be the case for long. Anyone cheating in that industry should think long and hard about it given their time is coming.
WTF heaven help us if he couldn't manage to write about Poster Boy or anything other than having a shot at us for NOT being in the news for the wrong reason lately
His paper will be quick to crucify us when next we do BUT at least wait until we do
Many would agree with the warning but it is not something to be reported.
Maybe Jon wants to exchange his keypad for a pulpit?
He might have backed the favourite in the Chariots?
Hi Kevin - nice to meet you in person Saturday night.
I understand there are plans for improvements for facilities at Terang but waiting on funding.
The committee will be holding a debrief very shortly and I know that the food situation is definitely on the agenda.
I'll pass on the comment regarding more tote windows being available.
Cheers
One other thing I think they could consider cashing in on would be making a big deal of the special Menangle races they share the night with (it could boost turnover)
I don’t think it would be a no-no to intermingle the Menangle fields with Terang's in the race book (even if only the big races)
Ps It was good to see race books being sold at the entrance turnstile (although I wonder whether making them free would be balanced out by the likely increase in turnover )
Bendigo had a semaphore board last night. One of the timing trucks has returned so some but not all meets will have them (until April)Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/art...ck-at-bendigo/
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I don't think Jon Anderson wrote this.Quote:
Originally Posted by arlington
https://nationaltrotguide.com.au/sus...se-of-deja-vu/