Dunn doesn't learn and that man N Jack does the damage. I should be thanking him because it was obvious what would happen, but surely he learns now for the sake of Bondi.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
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Dunn doesn't learn and that man N Jack does the damage. I should be thanking him because it was obvious what would happen, but surely he learns now for the sake of Bondi.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
We didn't learn much about the horses from the race Brendan
Will LA and Bondi return to their best (or at least near to it) and "how much can we credit Copy for that win?"
ps Hey Brendan, why do you think David Moran is missing off the Harnessweb Licensee list - typo/omission?
So Lochinvar Art has been stood down for 28 days!
He had an endoscopic exam so I am guessing he failed this badly
For the times he ran after a bad start would not be grounds for 28 days
The Interdom title holder was beaten 181m and it was only stood down 1 trial
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...22#MXM17092201
Champions run fast times but take the same time to recover from illness and injury as a kids pony. It's an absolute disgrace that Lochinvar Art was allowed to start just a fortnight after a similar poor finish and the stable reported it had "only" a "minor" lung infection. Only now do the stewards demand a vet certificate is produced before it races again. Standing it down and making the horse trial satisfactorily seems one start too late.
A compliant media and the fools that took the slim odds about the horse could fall for the ruse. I guess we can now add the stable connections to that list, we have been dripped dubious reports about the horse's condition for the past eighteen months.
NZ Cup? Dream on.
Boncel Benjamin? Done, if that run is used as a measure. Lightning struck twice for the horse during last year's ID Final, the second time being in the stewards room.
Copy That looked a certainty after a lap. Driven quietly this week and latching on to Lochinvar Art's back for a cart-up some well below par performances from quality opponents saw his class get him home.
Yeah still lots to learn. Vic Cup might be first chance big guns all meet in a more standard run race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
DQed trainers dont appear. Maybe suspension of trainers licence is treated more like DQ trainers rather than like suspended driver? Not sure.
He was on the list about a month ago when I was checking when he was due back
I am looking forward to seeing the full stewards report to see if it mentions the trainer or stable representative for Lochinvar Art - I would like to know who it was on Saturday night
The date David Moran's suspension finished had been on the Suspended Drivers List when I checked a month ago.
I think it may have finished Sept 7 as the VRT hearing was on Feb 7 and this also explains why it was no longer on the list last Thursday (it still doesn't explain why he is not on the Licensee list)
The end of the VRT ruling:
The bottom line is that you are immediately suspended for a period of seven months. If you breach either of the relevant Rules again in the next 24 months, the further suspensions of two and/or three months will become operative. Also, you are fined a total of $3,000.
Mark Howard
Registrar, Victorian Racing Tribunal
The horse bled so nobody will be training it for quite a while, if ever. Reported as a grade 4 pulmonary haemorrhage, whichh means more than 90% of the surace of its trachea had blood on it. Grade 4 is the highest grading.
I am so sorry for a great horse and, without sounding like a knob, I predicted this. If a mug like me could predict it, you wonder why others were so blind. Perhaps the lure of big stakemoney? It is going to take a lot more than 28 days away from the races, a successful trial and a vet certificate to bring the old Lochie back.
Yes Trevor the whole LA thing seems strange.
Harness.org are now reporting that he had a "Minor Bleed" and will go to the US to race or retire. So they are still playing the incident down. No stewards report yet so we don't have the official word. Obviously you have got the info from elsewhere and I have no reason not to believe you.
Seems HRV just wanted the publicity that LA generates and didn't put his welfare first as you pointed out .
Sad end to a great career.
HRV's own media unit is the source of my information. https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/art...up-looks-over/Quote:
Originally Posted by gutwagon
And now they are considering sending the horse to North America so it can be loaded up on Lasix. Talk about squeezing out the last drop of hope!
https://www.harness.org.au/media-roo...?news_id=54092
And here is another question I would like HRV to explain. Why does Sirletic cop the mandatory 3 month ban for bleeding yet Lochinvar Art is stood down for only 28 days? I was prepared to cut some slack for Michael Howard's story being incorrect with the "grade 4 pulmonary hemorrhage" statement but the comments by the horse's owner, as quoted to Adam Hamilton, pretty much confirm my original comments.
Love of horses or love of money? If he were mine I would realise it is the end of the road. A life at stud in Australia, even for a small handful of mares a year, is far better for the horse than risking a one-way road trip to Mexico.
Stewards Report is up
Leigh Sutton, driver of Lochinvar Art ($2.00 fav), explained that he did not commence to apply pressure to the leader Bondi Lockdown until passing the 1000m and added that he felt passing the 600m that Bondi Lockdown had commenced to be placed under pressure and as Lochinvar Art was travelling strongly he allowed the horse to progress forward. Post-race veterinarian and endoscopy examination of Lochinvar Art revealed the horse to be displaying Grade 4 EIPH. In accordance with HRV Policy, Lochinvar Art will be stood down from racing for a period of 28 days, until a veterinary clearance is received and Lochinvar Art trialling to the satisfaction of Stewards.
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/st...l/?mc=MX170922
I'm always amazed by Harness based media articles that portray cheats that were disqualified or suspended and are returning (or returned) as knockabout good guys that are poor souls that were forced out.
It's a hard truth, but this is why the industry has hit the skids. This image of cheats and scoundrels of the "red hots" is further perpetuated. An unsavoury image.
Mr Moran cheated. He cheated you, he cheated me and he cheated every other punter. For this he was disqualified. If he hadn't cheated he would have still been training the horse. It's simple. Please don't cast him as the victim.
Perhaps the media will one day learn, and stop trying to portray Glenn Douglas as a larrikin guy too.
https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/the...aussie-career/
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Originally Posted by Messenger
Well Old Fox, you are not quite correct. Moran didn't cheat, he was outed for actions he took against a former partner. Those actions took place in her workplace. Had Worksafe Victoria become involved I am certain he would have copped more than a seven month suspension that allowed him to master puppetry while others trained his horses.
There is a fair chance he might be eating porridge thrice daily had the law investigated the incident. Lucky him, he had HRV prosecuting his charges.
What you say about the compliant, weak-kneed, grovelling harness racing media is true. As mentioned previously, the fact none of them questioned the "minor bleed" claims with LA will never rate as quality journalism. Gee, where is the next generations of Richard Trembaths and Bob Cainsc coming from?
The reality is freedom of speech is outlawed by HRA and state controlling bodies. While rules are in place to prevent licensees and owners from stating the bleeding obvious the "accredited" media seem to play to that rule book.
Recently, my insomniac self watched a great series of documentaries on late night pay TV called The Prohibition. Al Capone, now widely acknowledged as one of the shonkiest gangsters of the era, was given celebrity status by the press of the day (no "media" back then). They were even more compliant then than harness racing media are today. Villains are good guys in their view. Of course, when the CEO of a state controlling body relicences a 13-time disqualified offender on grounds that "everybody deserves a second chance you realise why the sport is in a death spiral.
Maybe Old Fox is referring to the bet placed on another runner when he was driving in the race where there was a 6 month suspension imposed at the same time as the other incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Showgrounds
Indeed, I didn't even know there was also domestic violence factors added to the charges! I thought it was for the betting charges..and behaviours that could stem from that. The fact that there was domestic violence only makes the washing of his character for media articles even more deplorable in my view. Sad state of affairs when these are the hero trainer/drivers of the sport.
Until the media drags culprits over the coals and their careers are affected in the long term, the deterrence level will not be high enough....and the public will view us as backward fools.
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Originally Posted by aussiebreno
True, I overlooked the betting charges because the other long-standing matter took years to be dealt with. Enough time for the horse to reach champion status and for the trainer's charges to be treated like minor indiscretions.
There was no domestic violence, just tipped his ex out of the cart and let the horses she was leading escape.
I was going to say that there are a lot of ordinary characters in the racing game but on reflection, probably no more than in any other industry.
In other industries, if you do something very wrong you are probably not going to be welcome in the industry any longer.
It is also probably true that some will get away with it because in many cases (unlike sportspeople and entertainers) the offence may not receive any publicity.
But just as being in the public eye thanks to the media can be damming for racing people, it can also be a godsend (as Theoldfox suggests) for the media see their role as promoting the industry/portraying the positives - not reporting facts.
This is because the media see themselves as part of the industry team - and pretty much adhere to the belief that you don't air your dirty laundry in public
I know Aussiebreno hates it every time I mention PeterProfit but the only reason PP has an audience is that virtually nobody in the mainstream media is prepared to make waves.
PP up on the beach at Port Douglas may like waves a bit too much but it is his declared mission statement 'Always back the horse named self-interest, son. It'll be the only one trying'
The other thing that strikes me about our industry personalites is - how many of them are media performers
Compare it to AFL, Patrick Cripps told us last night that he sort out help in order to be comfortable speaking to the media, look at how many AFL players perform so very well in media roles (yes, I know some are overrated too)
I don't really follow the gallops other than springtime but it seems to me that they always have a few that are good performers.
I don't watch/listen to Burning Questions - not just because of JB but because I am discerning when it comes to allocating my time - especially because hearing is not that easy for me SO I don't know as well as some of you, who we should be getting in front of the camera to promote our industry. Who we should be 'training up' - I know some do media training
I am trying to think of who I have seen on TrotsVision who seem comfortable and personable - Kate Gath, Greg Sugars - people that NON rusted ons are going to listen to.
ps And hosts who are good at sharing/not dominating the mic
I know I have drifted off track a little - but only a little, as I am concentrating on Theoldfox's point about how the public see us
US Drivers Premiership
They are only 262 days into the year
and yet the leader has had 2924 drives
Not that he could have driven every day
but that is an average of over 11 drives a day!
Trevor, my horse had her first bleed earlier this year (level 3) and received a 28 day ban. That seems to be the usual for a first bleed. The horse you refer to may have bled before.
Thanks Rick, I haven't checked the rules recently. It always used to be three months the first time, then 12 (maybe?) then life. But back then the blood had to be coming out the nostrils, arthroscopes were not commonly used on course.
Hope your girl comes good.
Messenger summarises it beautifully.
In simple terms Harness Racing and its "state" media is behaving like North Korea and to a large extent viewed that way from outside the industry. Before everybody exclaims that this is an outrageous proposition, I'll better explain my point.
The industry is using controlled media to paint a rosy picture to its disciples, the people already in the industry. "Nothing to see here", the cheats "are larrikins". This is not dissimilar to North Korea and its method of state sponsored/controlled "positive" internal media. This is all well and good when the industry (or country) is prospering and no further participants or resources are needed for survival.
Sadly this is not the case, a faltering industry that needs new participants, new owners, more breeders is not in a position to behave this way. It becomes a laughing stock.
It's time to show everyone that a clean up is happening, not writing articles that express pity for a physically aggressive and proven cheat/s is step one.
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Originally Posted by Messenger
For someone who drives so many winners, how do you explain a drive as bad as this on The Wolf in R7 at Melton tonight
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...22#MXC22092202
I would suggest on its efforts with this stable they would prefer it driven to use its late sprint after its pea hearted effort when driven aggressively with early speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
In the heat it was easier to go around 4 horse lengths in 29.2 than it was to go around 8 horse lengths in 28.1 for the 3rd qtr in the final. In the small field you'd usually see a fave make an earlier move so to me it indicates they dont want to use any early petrol tickets.
If you're coming 4 wide making ground in a 28.1 qtr and it runs out steam in the straight maybe you're not driving it next week, probably unrelated but note Leedham is no longer driving it.
Good explanation
Just an update on the bleeding rule - unverified (I'm too lazy) but from an impeccable source. If a horse has blood in or flowing from its nostrils it's a 3 month ban for a first occurrence. In Lochinvar Art's case it is 28 days as the blood was detected by scoping. The blood was in the trachea, not the nostrils.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutwagon
I feel sorry for the poor horse, he'll be on his way to the US of A late next week.
What is with the TAB's shortening of an already short name. It feels just a little too familiar to me
G Hall Snr takes up less space than D Egerton-green so why the G Snr
Watching the Vic Cup replay and hear the news that Bondi Lockdown is going to Luke McCarthy
Aaron Dunn of course owns him so he has plenty to gain from the move
No Mark Pitt at Melton tomorrow night - he is up at Menangle for just 2 Emma Stewart drives in 2yo Breeders Challenge Semis
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...s/?mc=PC151022
Great to see Chris Alford win a Gp1 and Gp3 tonight
One major stable that he has driven dozens of Gp1's for may not have remained loyal but the man just keeps doing what he does best
Last night it was interesting to see Greg Sugars drive Moments Like These $81 for the stable and an Alabar Syndicate instead of Sarah Anne $41 for Freddy Taiba whom he had driven for her two previous wins
Well it was really only interesting because you would have expected him to drive the stable's Nonparreil $3.60 for Alabar last week instead of Sarah Anne $2.60
I know the stable is in Jess Tubb's name but it is both of them - I don't know how I would feel about the Candyman choosing not to drive your stable horse when it is in the market
With Nathan Purdon returning to NZ, Amore Vita is now in the Stewart stable
Despite driving more Gp1's for them than any other, there goes another big drive of Chris Alford's
Maybe he could dress up as D Moran and pilot either Honolua Bay or LadiesinredQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Stewart confirmed their brilliant Victoria Cup runner-up Honolua Bay (Somebeachsomewhere) will head to Sydney for the $100,000 Group 1 Len Smith Mile.
He will need a new driver with David Moran committed to the amazing Ladies In Red at Melton in the $100,000 Group 1 Queen of the Pacific.
https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/...ampion-stable/
He is too loyal to ditch his Melton drives for Menangle
I wonder if Pitt goes to Syd. Moran, Jack and others onto the Melton runners Pitt was down for.
Interesting the choice of Manning rather than Jack for Treachery.
Kerryn has had 8 drives on her for 5 thirds (before Pitt returned)
Jack has never driven her
Braeview Kelly is not going to trouble them over this distance is she Brendan?
Moran might take Beyond Delight in the 4&5yo and they may put Josh Aiken back on Narutac Prince
I could be wrong about Alford not going to Menangle - I forgot about Max Delight (maybe Josh won't be available at Melton)
I think $4.60 is pretty short when she is untested burning the candle at both ends. As impressive as last week the breakdown of splits was perfect for a fast time. Not sure she gets that with Tough Tillys gates speed and Ladiesinred ability from the chair. Perhaps her presence in the race helps Ladiesinred though, who doesn't have a good head to head record when Tough Tilly gets an easy lead. Solid no bet race for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Kate has jumped off Pull The Other Leg onto Beyond Delight leaving Narutac to David Moran, so the Stewart stable did not need to utilize anybody other than their regular driversQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
We just need Menangle to tidy up their listed drivers as several are blatantly incorrect
Pitt drives two juveniles but not Honolua Bay. Noticed he has has never driven Honolua or Ladies in Red.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Amanda on Honolua - she has been brought down here to drive for Anne and Bill in the past so that is no surprise
Chris Alford has gone up for Max plus another Aiken runner and one for David Moran, Rebecca Bartley takes his Melton drives