Sorry for butting in Smoken, but 5 years ago there was a horse running around by the name of BLACKS A FAKE who had some mighty clashes with old Trigger .
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Sorry for butting in Smoken, but 5 years ago there was a horse running around by the name of BLACKS A FAKE who had some mighty clashes with old Trigger .
According to Mick Guerin "Terror To Love returning to NZ after Miracle Mile shocker, misses Victoria Cup. Connections still shaking head over how poorly he went"Quote:
Originally Posted by 2minuteman
How can I forget Richard. Those were great battle royales! Two mighty horses for sure!
As for ITMQ, he is a rocket, and a Champ, but we all have a ultimate Champ for our own reasons. That is sad regarding TTL. He just hates Menangle!
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QUOTE=2minuteman;29209]And as my old Grandad used to say"if the dog don't stop for a s**t he catches the rabbit
Thanks for the sanity check Ron, reminded me of what my grandfather used to say " if my aunty had balls she would be my uncle" admire the combatants in this debate for their tenacity and durability but guys.....it is an arguement that you can all win in one moment and lose in a heartbeat, because as Ron said, it's ALL CONJECTURE, anyone who knows anything about horses understands as Vinnie Knight so famously put it " their only HUMAN" what Vinnie meant was of course they are creatures of the world, they can have some days that are better or worse than others.......no explanation required....thats a fact of life.Quote:
are all using times,sits,great drives,age differences,last weeks run,this weeks run,drivers brain snaps,etc.etc.
It is all conjecture.The facts are SU wins Cordina in 49 and change and Beautide wins Miracle Mile in 50 and change.All the rest is??? see above about dog.
Cheers,
Dan
Its a shame my old mate Marty "German" Johnson is banned. His famous quote of 3 pegs never wins big races. Oh so wrong again!!! This is on top of his comments with regards For a Reason. I will let others judge your level of intelligence.
Ash, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. No matter what type of racing a turn of speed at the end of races wins races. Forget the overall times this means absolutely nothing. Cordina sprint last quarter 26.6, Miracle Mile clocked 26.2. From leader to winner. Beautide runs sub 26. Too fast to good! Smoken Up a champion but just not as quick as he used to be.
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Originally Posted by p plater
http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Terr...-Mile-disaster
That's a real shame, I was looking forward to seeing him going around in longer distance Cup races.
For anyone who is interested I have compiled the comparison between Cordina Sprint winners and their placing in the MM.
These times are the horses personal times.
2009 Karloo Mick Cordina 1.55.7 MM 3rd 1.50.9
2010 Washakie 1.50.5 Last 1.51.5
2011 Mr Feelgood 1.51.1 4th 1.52.1
2013 (April) Pure Power (2nd) 1.51.8 3rd 1.50.7 (Gaius Caesar scratched)
2013 Smoken Up 1.49.9 5th 1.51.1
The 2 improvers where Karloo Mick off a slow Cordina and Pure Power who had not started since 3rd March before 20th April Cordina.
The rest seem to have lost a second week on week.
They are interesting stats there mate!
40% improve time.Quote:
Originally Posted by p plater
Of those that didn't.
2010 Washakie difference due to early speed battle in Cordina which he wasn't a part of.
2011 Smoken Up 1.51.8? 6 months earlier 1.48.5. Something doesn't quite stack up.
2013 We already been through this.
I don't think there's a strong enough link to pull anything from those stats.
Brendan, I agree its a small sample.
2011 was based on Mr Feelgoods performance. He was a pretty fair horse to use.
Just read the above article. Is Lance Justice really 77 yrs old??
I think Lance is 177 and Trigger 77 :p
It was reported on "The Box Seat"...Harness review / preview show on Trackside TV in NZ tonight that the connections of several horses in Saturday night's Miracle Mile (and other races) reported that the Menangle track was TOO HARD for their horses. They reported being told by officials when querying the state of the track that the track was prepared for racing with the likelihood of rain.
If I am to understand this correctly, the topping of the track was removed so as not to become the sludge often seen at Menangle and Melton on wet racenights.
When the rains did not come the track was left in a very hard state.
Any comments from those in the know so to speak...
I overheard 2 trainers saying exactly that. They said in needed an inch of topping.
You mean the track isn't prepared the exact same each week and the weather isn't 100% spot on each week, so we can't actually compare time for time from one week to another? Blasphemy!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by teecee
Not to sure how long it takes the put the topping on, but the cloud that Sydney had was very high and started to break up before mid day and it was extremely unlikely there would be any rain. I guess in hindsight a better option would have been to put 50% of the usual amount on the track in the early afternoon. Fred might be able to give us some feed back on the process.
Had nothing to do with me teecee!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by teecee
Heard same from trainers. 1 very astute one, who was at the track but didn't have a runner in, picked it up from seeing how much the track conditioner on back of tractor was digging into track (virtually not at all). Well spotted Danno!
To top dress would probably take between 500 - 800 tonnes of material.
Not something that could be completed 3 hours before a race meeting.
A good couple of days work.
Thanks Adam, Wasn't exactly sure of the process. I guess your damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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Originally Posted by teecee
What a great way to induce injuries.
Hello again all wise and knowing Guru.I think I would be right in saying that the highlighted comment of yours displays a disturbing amount of hubris,however I will take your point that it is pointless me attempting to put forward a point of view,so I won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Anybody able to help with claimed crowd numbers for the MM?
Not as many as a Friday night @ Harold Park.
and the peeps @ Harold Park paid to get in as well :)