G HALL Jnr driving style

Hey Dan
It seems to me that you know from experience. Obviously there is a push out rule in Oz. Apparently in the last 600 metres is that right. Here it is last 1000metres.
Is that right. Can you tell me do you have an easing down rule Y/n...?
Are these rules australia wide or are your rules state only???

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Originally Posted by Danno

G'day Brad,
like everyone else mate you're entitled to your opinion. I think, as I said, it was ugly but not dangerous. I have served that up and copped it plenty of times from people who know how to do it safely with no problems, it's when you get idiots trying it and don't know when and where it's unsafe that you run into problems and someone ends up on the deck.
as i've stated earlier I'm neither a fan nor a detractor of GH Jnr, but that's twice in the last couple of weeks we've seen him trying to push clear and so far he's displayed in my opinion he knows how to do it safely, many do not.

Cheers,
Dan.

PS you'll have me by the short and curlies if he decks someone pushing out...stay tuned.LOL.

Just watched that race. Firstly, wasn't it great to see Bill Horns and Village Kids colours going around? Secondly . G. Hall Jnr, in my opinion is teflon coated.

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Originally Posted by teecee

Hey Dan
It seems to me that you know from experience. Obviously there is a push out rule in Oz. Apparently in the last 600 metres is that right. Here it is last 1000metres.
Is that right. Can you tell me do you have an easing down rule Y/n...?
Are these rules australia wide or are your rules state only???

G'day Tony,
we've had a push out rule in NSW for over twenty years. it started out being allowed in the last lap and a quarter ( entering the home straight with one lap to go regardless of the circumference of the track) and a few years ago they changed it to a candy pole marker typically situated in the back straight usually about 600m out. As far as i know that rule applies in all states and an "ease out rule' other than this one does not exist.

I have only ever been in the game as a hobby but started race driving as a kid in 1975, my Dad taught me how to push out safely long before I got to the trials at age sixteen. he also taught me a few other things and during my time I've probably driven in about 1000 races and never brought anyone else down, but I've been brought down by a few dickheads and a couple of big names among them, so yeah I reckon I've got some idea on the subject.

Cheers,
Dan

Hey Dan

Would just be content with an interference free final that allows the top 4 every chance without any excuses. I've got no designs of applying any undue torque to your nether region.

Cheers

Have seen many changes over the years but the current push out or ease out rules are simple
There are 2 markers on all WA tracks that come into play, one entering the hom straight for the bell and one 600mtr from the end of the race
Entering the straight for the bell and until the 600mtr marker a driver can move from the fence to the 2 wide line pushing the horse on his out side 3 wide but cannot move from the 2 wide line to the 3 wide line forcing another runner wider.
At the 600 marker onwards you can move from any line forcing another runner wider providing this is done safely.
In Hall jnr case with Dasher VC Lewis tried to hold ITMQ down when his horse wasn't forward enough to do so
In Butts case on Raglan he was already in the 2 wide line at the first marker so was't able to force a runner 4 deep without suspension and from the 600 marker was only ever in a position to drop his own horse on the track if he attempted to push out
If you want a clear look of how this rule works coming into the straight have a look at Butts drive on Hostile Grins in race 7 Fri night.
He moves from the 2 wide line to the 3 wide line while another runner on his outside had its legs up past his wheel.
This resulted in the horse on his outside nearly being dropped on the track.
If he wanted to move 3 wide it should have happened before he had a runner on his outside, will be interesting to read the stewards report for to me he should get time

All that glitters is not necessarily gold.
It seems that what you think you saw is not necessarily what really happened.
The stewards on this ocassion don't appear to have seen it the way you saw it.

The same appears to be so for what people thought they saw in the Dasher VC / ITMQ situation.

I think why some think it was bad is that G halls horse was bigger and got his head over the neck of the outside horse and made it look worse than it was.

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Originally Posted by Greg Hando

I think why some think it was bad is that G halls horse was bigger and got his head over the neck of the outside horse and made it look worse than it was.

I reckon your on the money there Greg, it always grabs people's attention when one horse is taller than the other and their necks are crossing..bit of a "Ben Hur" look about it eh?

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Originally Posted by Danno

I reckon your on the money there Greg, it always grabs people's attention when one horse is taller than the other and their necks are crossing..bit of a "Ben Hur" look about it eh?

Why don't we bring in gigs like they use in the Ben Hur movie, where the driver stands up to drive in an enclosed "gig", there would be no problem then with the push out rule or cutting other drivers off etc!

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Originally Posted by The Form Student

Why don't we bring in gigs like they use in the Ben Hur movie, where the driver stands up to drive in an enclosed "gig", there would be no problem then with the push out rule or cutting other drivers off etc!

While we're at it get the spikes out the side to take out any challengers too!! and "cutting other drivers off" would take on new meaning and be really spectacular!!!
Geez wouldn't the ambo's earn their wages!!
We could have special points rules too so if you took out X number of horses/drivers you got a ten second advantage!!

Good thinking Steve!