Did you see the head on footage? - may possibly change your opinion. The boys on TrotsVision covered it Saturday nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
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Did you see the head on footage? - may possibly change your opinion. The boys on TrotsVision covered it Saturday nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Carol, as I said in my first post on the incident, it was the stewards film of it on TrotsVision that showed Kate inside the pegs and made me curious but I only remember them showing it once.
I saw it again in an article on the HRV website - it gives you the opportunity to review closely and I'm pretty sure Brett Day also referred to it in the video
Try this link:
https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/art...uWd3m_J57-np_Y
Thanks Carol. That actually confirms it for me, Relentless Me was definitely behind the leader and although the leader was off the pegs, Kate DID NOT have room to go up Relentless Me's inside without going inside several pegs. Who cares if she had a full head of steam up, that does not mean you can just be a bulldozer
Luckily WA stewards are not paid by the word or else they would need a second job
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/ste...l/?mc=GP040222
Raymond Walker, the trainer of top 2021 2yo Mister Rea has been disqualified for 4½ mths and the horse has lost its win from the Breeders Challenge heat on September 14
http://www.harness.org.au/media-room...?news_id=51585
Maybe fortunately the horse was withdrawn from the rest of the series with a quarter crack
Wondering where Jack Laugher has got to, I looked up the Suspended Driver list (the only place I find this is on Harnessweb)
Jack is due back from 3 weeks suspension today
But while browsing the list, I noticed the longest suspension is Leroy O'Brien
Leroy got 9 mths a couple of weeks ago for a cobalt offence from over a year ago
It is funny how the decision comes across as being so apologetic for suspending him
https://integrity.thetrots.com.au/ne...-leroy-obrien/
Nathan Carroll gets Life
http://www.harness.org.au/media-room...?news_id=51682
A bit of detective work required on our part to join the dots from today's story back to the one HRNSW issued on 2 October 2017 -Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
https://www.hrnsw.com.au/news/1865/t...ll---inquiries
The stewards dealt with Jason Lee and Daryl Douglas on Saturday night after they turned the previous week's Group 1 Australian Trotting Grand Prix into an equine Demolition Derby. I can't help but feel both got off light considering the damage they caused.
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/st...l/?mc=MX050322
This could be a first, a trainer pleading guilty to a Cobalt charge and getting off with a suspended sentence
https://integrity.thetrots.com.au/ne...ary-donaldson/
Michael Bellman's appeal was unsuccessfulQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
https://integrity.thetrots.com.au/ne...chael-bellman/
We will await the stewards report for R7 after the MM. The Honey Queen won but you would think the stewards should have been asking why stablemate and favourite I Need You Now stayed at the back of the field instead of following up Diamond Party's early 3w move when the initial speed slackened
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...22#PCM12032206
So much for me praising Luke McCarthy for his MM winning drive; half an hour later he comes out and treats punters with complete contempt on the favourite. He drove with no intent of putting the horse in the race. No doubt he will say he was "disappointed with the mare's performance" (the stewards have this phrase set as a macro) but no questions will be asked as to why he hooked the mare straight back to last.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
I know Need You Know's NZ form very well. Her record would be even better if it weren't for running into Amazing Dream too often - 9 wins and 13 seconds gives you a clue. She has loads of gate speed and led up in plenty of races. Her last 4 NZ starts resulted in 2 wins and 2 placings, all group races, and she had an 89 rating. Last night she was driven like a last start Broken Hill placegetter.
Why would Tupelo Beach get a QIP after its win at Shep last night?
Its form this long campaign has been 36323101431745 and now 1
And the times were all comparable
I will be interested in seeing who the stewards were
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...22#SPC18032202
Nothing in the Stewards Column so we will have to await the report on R8 at Stawell today as Jason Lee (driving on an appeal) appeared to check the leader rather badly - well it looked like that (to Dan in the caller's box too)
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...22#SWC21032203
PP has multiple problems with how R2 at Port Pirie was run on Saturday night
He figures that Frank Pullicino got off way too easy with a fine for sending out Iden Forest in hopples shorter than registered and consequently it galloped and took no part
I am amazed that Corey Johnson only got 17 days for his disinterested drive on Clarenden Envoy. I don't think I have seen a drive with less intent (to win) other than the same driver on the same horse at his previous start!
PP is wrong for blaming Dani Hill for taking on the favourite at Tk Rec pace - it was not her, she was in the 1x1
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...22#PPC19032204
I NEED YOU NOW NZ– Pre - race blood sample. Stewards questioned Driver Luke McCarthy with regards to the performance of I NEED YOU NOW NZ which finished in 6th placing beaten 24 metres. Mr McCarthy advised Stewards that the mare had been working well in preparation for tonight’s event however may have been a little bit under prepared as a result of not being able to trial at the Menangle track since arriving from New Zealand as a result of the recent floods. Mr McCarthy advised Stewards that the mare hung in and raced roughly between the 600 metres and the 400 metres before balancing up and finishing strongly in the home straight. Mr McCarthy further advised that the stable may look to make some gear changes prior to the mare having its next start. After considering the explanation provided by Mr McCarthy, Stewards determined to note his comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/ste...l/?mc=PC120322
Zip. Sounds like Luke has their measure
Hmm. Look at making some gear changes. I would suggest racing her in the same gear she raced so successfully with in NZ.
Anthony Butt obviously thought so too but there cannot have been anything thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
The all clear was delayed by stewards to allow Anthony Butt, the driver of the 4th placed Im Princess Bella an opportunity to review an incident entering the first turn when his filly broke gait when positioned to the inside of the 3rd placed Ash Park (Jason Lee). On review Mr Butt declined to object to the placings and the all clear was subsequently announced. At a further inquiry stewards found that Im Princess Bella broke gait free of interference and that there had been no contribution as a result of the positioning of Ash Park. Im Princess Bella was placed on its last chance to race truly
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/ste...l/?mc=SW210322
HRV Stewards are appealing the decisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
https://integrity.thetrots.com.au/ne...ary-donaldson/
From the Menangle APG final last Saturday
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/st...l/?mc=PC070522
Ms Glide explained that the time between 12.30pm and 1pm an inspected Mr Stanley’s runners was undertaken and subsequently found that SOHO ALMASI had a substance applied to all four legs. Trainer M Stanley explained that sometime on the afternoon of Thursday, 5th May he applied a product “Runners Relief” liberally to SOHO ALMASI and since this time he had not worked SOHO ALMASI nor washed the horse up until the time of the race day inspection. He added that he was aware of his requirements to remove any poultice from his runners prior to 8am on race day. However, he had undertaken other tasks race day morning and had failed to remove the poultice prior to Ms Glide’s arrival
As PP says - Surely the Stewards Don't Believe Him
6 days ago
Tim Bolitho, trainer of Cornish Smuggler ($10.00) which finished in 8th and last position beaten 59.4m after leading was queried into the seemingly poor performance of the gelding. Mr Bolitho advised the gelding to extremely disappointing and could offer no tangible explanation for the performance. Mr Bolitho advised he will reassess the racing future of Cornish Smuggler within his stable. A warning was issued against the gelding’s racing competitiveness. A post-race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities.
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/st...l/?mc=HM160522
Today comes out and wins at Ararat at the skinny odds of $3.50 - the above and below do not equate. Are we and the stewards being taken for mugs
I reckon Captain Barnato was pretty unlucky to lose R2 at Geelong on protest
Watch the replay right to the end, especially the head on footage, I did several times and I think Really Really came out as much as the Captain came in thus both horses contributed to the wheel lock.
We are only talking about inches for both of them. At the same time there was plenty of unused room in the sprint lane.
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...22#GEC01062207
As I mentioned in the Speed Explosion thread, there seems to be a lot of interest in R7 at Ballarat from the stewards
Not only would most have expected Captain Ravishing to win, all would have expected Simply Sam - the winner of 5 from 11, to fill a place in the small field of 6
IF you were convinced he wouldn't then it would have only cost 1x4x3 = $12 to cover the Trifecta
For every time you had it, you would have received a return of $130, odds of 10/1, much more attractive than the $1.20 the win
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...22#BAC09092206
I have followed Simply Sam closely since stable connections attempted to publicly shame stewards for their temerity to suspend champion driver Maurice McKendry for an ill-judged drive on the horse. Inside the last 400 metres at Alexandra Park McKendry chose to leave the three wide line before entering the straight to pursue a non-existent opening along the sprint lane. Had he just waited and hooked out four wide it probably would have won. It did win in three subsequent starts when driven in this manner.
At Ballarat, in a 6-horse field, N Jack decided to place the hose four back the fence. When the winner tore away down the back straight he stuck to the pegs before running straight into the back of a tiring runner. It's unimaginable that Jack had not been informed of the horse's racing style, unprofessional if Jack had not done the basic homework of watching race replays from the HRNZ website.
McKendry, in my opinion, got off light with a three week suspension. Jack should get the same, but we are dealing with gun-shy Victorian stewards and Nathan Jack. He probably smiles and walks.
Interestingly, the Lincoln Farms spin machine is yet to mention this race. Plenty of "nothing to see here" coming from the stable today, however, about Copy That's performance last night. If they still gave a magnum of bubbly for drive of the night I'd present Nathan Jack with a butcher's apron for his drives on Simply Sam and Copy That. This follows his drive last Saturday night on Lochinvar Art who, if you can believe it, had a lung infection but is still going to Addington for the NZ Cup. Ahem, that is only 2 months and a long plane trip away.
Good luck with that. I would have thought it was a significant setback.
They are still very interested but will anything come of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
RACE 7 – COLIN & HEATHER HOLLOWAY 3YO CLASSIC (2200 MS)
Captain Ravishing raced greenly at various stages when leading and hung in passing the 200m.
Allan McDonough, driver of Idealrockidealroll, was questioned regarding the tactics adopted on the colt, in particular his decision to improve forward without cover shortly after the start and his failure to continue to improve forward when positioned without cover during the early stages. Post-race veterinary examination of Idealrockidealroll revealed the colt to be lame in the off-hindleg. After taking evidence from Mr McDonough and trainer’s representative Clayton Tonkin this matter was adjourned to allow Stewards the opportunity to review the evidence tendered, consider the veterinary findings and investigate any other relevant matter .
Nathan Jack, driver of Simply Sam NZ, was questioned regarding the tactics adopted on the colt, in particular his decision to remain positioned on the marker pegs at approximately the 1900m as Idealrockidealroll improved to his outside. After taking evidence from Mr Jack and trainer Ray Green this matter was adjourned to allow Stewards to consider the evidence tendered, further analyse the previous New Zealand racing performances of Simply Sam NZ in detail and investigate any other relevant matter.
All wagering on this event will be subject of analysis.
An inquiry was opened into an incident which occurred during the stabling and float carpark area. After taking evidence from licensed persons Anton Golino, Clayton Tonkin, Allan McDonough and relevant witnesses this matter was adjourned to enable Stewards the opportunity to review the available CCTV footage.
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/st...l/?mc=BA090922
I had a phone call from a prominent owner on Sunday night. I mentioned Simply Sam's race and their thoughts matched that of the subsequently released stewards report. It made me watch the race again as they noted McDonough's horse just sat outside Simply Sam seemingly unwilling to to improve its position. At the bell, after strolling along in front, Pit turned around to see where the runs were coming from. They weren't so he took off.
Id love to know what took part in the stables and the car park, we'll just have to wait and see.
I wondered what the stabling incident could have to do with R7
Anton Golino did not have any horses at this meeting
Ray Green's horses are staying at Yabby Dam Farms. I suspect Anton was performing the strappers / float driver's duties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
PP highlighted this drive by Robbie Morris on the drifting 2nd fav as driving dead - you can see why but the stewards can't
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...22#BKC17102211
DON’T TOUCH THIS – Stewards questioned driver R Morris in relation to the tactics employed in the event, in particular during the early stages when electing to shift down to the marker pegs from a running line position. Mr Morris explained that, during the early stages when trailing ERATIGENA in the running line, he believed that runner was not suited to racing without cover and believed it best not to follow that runner in the event and as such shifted back down to a marker peg position where he believed the stronger horses in the event were racing. Mr Morris added that, he believed racing along the marker pegs was best suited for the gelding in the circumstances as his runner can race intractably when competing on smaller tracks and was mindful of making a long sustained run out wide and looked to save as much ground as possible. Mr Morris further stated that, when leaving the back straight on the final occasion STRONG DESIRE did not quicken as he was anticipating and as such he was unable to place his runner under full pressure when rounding the final turn, however believed he obtained clear running in the home straight with enough time to run second but the gelding was reluctant to fully extend in the early part of the home straight. After consideration stewards determined to note his comments.
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/st...l/?mc=BK171022
Ultimate Vinnie cannot keep this race - he has gone inside the track to get the run
Unless Sam Barker objects that Major Delico took his run
He only gets relegated back to 2nd and yet if he does not go inside the pegs he doesn't place at all :confused:
Still scratching my head over R10 at Melton last night
The stewards had to think the gap closing was the reason for Vinnie going inside the markers or else he has to be disqualified
In which case I cannot help but wonder whether had Sam Barker pulled back on Vinnie and lost, he could have protested and won on protest
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...22#MXM21102204
Maybe something similar to this ruling from last week was applied - we will have to wait and see the stewards report
The all clear was withheld to enable Stewards to review the footage in the home straight in relation to Allshookup (3rd place) racing inside the line of marker pegs in the home straight. After considering that Allshookup had already established a run to the inside of Dadndave NZ, being mindful of the 1.5m margin to Duke Of Dundee NZ (4th place), Stewards could not be satisfied that Allshookup had obtained an advantage to the detriment of another runner and all clear was then declared. Nathan Jack, driver of Allshookup was subsequently fined $100 under rule 163(1)(c)(i) for racing well inside the line of two marker pegs.
When questioned regarding her driving out of Susan Is Her Name, (2nd place), driver Kate Gath explained she had tested the filly and removed the ear plugs in the home straight and as Susan Is Her Name was shifting inwards, Ms Gath attempted to steer and balance the filly as opposed to continuing to apply the whip approaching the winning post.
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/st...l/?mc=MX151022
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fi...22#MXM15102210
I am not a whip fan but I did notice this
PP wrote about it this morning and suggests 1st needed to protest against 2nd - when do you ever see that, the onus was really on the stewards to do this and the placings may have stoodQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
I just watched the head on replay for this. Sam Barker should appeal his suspension and the owner of Ultimate Vinnie lodge an official complaint to the Racing Integrity commissioner. The Stewards should be reprimanded at minimum as their error is blatant. Integrity of participants includes stewards. The run was there and Sam Barker took it, Rodney Petroff then let his horse drift inwards to force Sam Barker inside the pegs. Betting patterns should be examined... to ensure stewards or any family members had no wagers on this race. Seriously disgraceful, were the stewards expecting Sam Barker to steer into the other sulky to "prove" that the run was closed on him? Most horses know how much space they have and move over accordingly so they don't get hit. Safety first, then common sense rule application please.
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Originally Posted by Messenger
Maybe they should tell us what he was supposed to have done? Run was there as you said so once he'd committed to go there, what was he supposed to have done when other horse came down on him? Grab hold?Quote:
Originally Posted by Theoldfox
They're going in a straight line at that point so he gained no advantage at all and won easily?
Or not go in there at all even though the run was there?
Maybe they should tell us what the proper course of action should have been?
Agree with you. At minimum there should be a communique put out to explain what Sam Barker should have done in this scenario. If I had more time on my hands I would personally raise this with the commissioner. I urge Sam Barker and the connections to do so, this is the sort of thing that makes participants reconsider their involvement in the game. Injustice, whether perceived or real. In my opinion this time it's real.
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Originally Posted by Toohard