No Doug the right horse raced it was a typo error on assessment card i believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoore
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No Doug the right horse raced it was a typo error on assessment card i believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoore
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Originally Posted by Dmoore
[VVV] A 2008 colt foal from Lady Of The South, he was initially down as being by Modern Art & in fact as a 2yo he won by open lengths at his 2nd start under that parentage...but later it was found there had been an error & while he was indeed the 2008 foal from Lady Of The South, he was in fact by Dawn Ofa New Day not Modern Art. Nothing nefarious in it in any way, shape or form.
Wasn't there a mix up with the paperwork/parentage or something with Dee En a Macray a few years back, hence the name?
One of the best here was Bad Boy Nitro in Perth. From memory it raced for a few weeks under a different name with no one the wiser.
To get back on topic, just picked up this tidbit of information.
BENTLEY BACK
The former Harness Racing NSW steward Matthew Bentley was spotted at Warwick Farm's barrier trials on Thursday. He watched Bag Of Nickels, whose ownership includes his father and Mark Vallender. Bentley and a fellow steward, Paul O'Toole, resigned from HRNSW in August, sparking the corruption scandal. He has not been charged by police, although he was mentioned in the charges laid against O'Toole.
Did bentley and o'toole resign ???
They Sure Did After being busted with damning evidence they slithered away like the low life's they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airds
Sorry but the evidence can't have been to daming or I think the police would have charged him by now.
Resigned ? I have heard lots of different reports about how they left ! Damning evidence ? Like ?
And that was my point if the evidence was so daming would he not have been charged with all the others.
Look everyone wants this resolved as quickly as possible and there are many different viewpoints on the topic. Let's try not to belittle others who think differently from us :)
Tiny How do you know that he isn't the king pin in all of this and that they have gone after the small fry first? Maybe his breif is a lot bigger and therfore is taking a lot longer to finalize . and I'm not saying this is so but how do you know it's notQuote:
Originally Posted by tiny
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And that was my point if the evidence was so daming would he not have been charged with all the others.
Abit dusty,Tiny How do you know that he isn't the king pin in all of this and that they have gone after the small fry first? Maybe his breif is a lot bigger and therfore is taking a lot longer to finalize . and I'm not saying this is so but how do you know it's not
My guess is Bentley didn't "spill his guts" and therefore evidence is a tad more difficult to accummulate.
He may or may not get nailed by NSW police but there is no doubt his "career" as a steward, in any form of racing is all over red rover!
Such a shame to lose him!!??
I really have no Idea how the police work. But I would have thought that you investigate untill you have enough evidence to charge someone and when you have enough evidence you go ahead and charge them. But I'm not the police.
I really look forward to the police saying there investigation is complete and we can put this dark chapter to bed and move on.
From what I have heard Bentley was apparently one of the best stewards going around and could play any of the participants as well as his colleagues off a break. If he did anything wrong and how he got caught I dont know. Im sure it will all come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
No doubt in the world Craig, he was playing everyone 'off a break".Quote:
Originally Posted by CTG
I'm unsure of your knowledge of this case, but if you take the time to look into it, you'll find the young gentleman did not resign because he didn't like being a Steward anymore!
Press release today regarding Greg Bennett http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=94654
To save others checking results for these races.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbd
July 7 Lombo Baccarat WON $1.90 fav driven by C.J.Fitzpatrick
July 1 Lombo Baccarat WON $1.70 fav driven by C.J.Fitzpatrick
May 17 Reluctant Dancer WON $1.50 fav driven by G.W.Bennett
May 12 Reluctant Dancer WON $1.70 fav driven by G.W.Bennett
May 12 The Open $5.50 FOURTH driven by G.W.Bennett
Those dates July 1 and July 7 for Lombo Baccarat. After Lombo Baccarats win on May4 at Bankstown I also see one of Camerons friends has left a message over facebook thanking him for a tip, almost certaintly Lombo Baccarat as well.
I wonder...although he started $18 and I actually went and went and watched the replay a few weeks ago and didn't notice anything suss. But now I note the driver of the favourite was Sarina who led and pulled hard setting it up for a backmarker.
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Originally Posted by CTG
[VVV] My absolute, hand on heart, God's honest truth opinion of old mate...and this is one that's placing his guilt or innocence in the current carry-on totally aside...is that he was at least two people.
One of them was an apparently quite talented, intelligent and seemingly up and coming young Steward. I honestly thought that in short order he would have been given the big chair and said so a few times to a number of my friends. (towels please, need to wipe the egg off my face).
The other was a version you'd see now and again who was an at times too short with/rude to the participants IMO, to the point of being vindictive with it & he happened to strike me as being a bit of a control freak as well. I strongly suspect he was more than just a little intoxicated with the power he had, whatever that may have actually been or that he at least thought it to be.
He was to me a human version of horse that used to race at Harold Park years ago by the name of Royce Hanover.
Talented but erratic, on his night brilliant, on other nights simply dreadful...& similarly the problem was that you just never really knew which one was going to turn up.:confused:
Mate he's not. He's been interveiwed by the corn corneal a few times and each time they proved him squeaky clean. So forget it
Why was my post deleted?? Was just asking a question
I've got it on good authority that a moderator on this site is super chummy with a bloke who has already been arreseted over the swabbing scandal in NSW and at least one more who is under invesitgation. So how can you have a say without posts being deleted? Conflict of interest much harnesslink?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trotter
Brendan, sorta agree with you as he was driving Russos horses, and his name is in the Paul O'Toole charge sheet list, you dont have to be too smart to work out the cheats from that. He would have had to be in the know, just like these others that are STILL ripping everyone else off on a near daily bases. But i do understand that their is a lot to process & patience is a virtue but it dosn't make it any eaiser when it seems that, to us, not a lot has been done since the 5 arrests & 2 stand downs.
And how about the blokes still participating at honest owners and trainers expense, and still juicing horses to stockpile money while they can because they know they are going to get life soon?Quote:
Originally Posted by peteboss4
Hi EricQuote:
Originally Posted by The Rainmaker
I was the one who deleted the post and i have sent a private msg explaining why i did as such, feel free to private msg me as to who this moderator is.
That is the new admin of HRNSW new pension funding program its called "looking after your mates in desperate times"Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rainmaker
Why can some say anything and others get posts deleted for trivial reasons like "not being nice ?" rules are for all not just a select few.
Ok maths was never my strong point so please correct me if I am wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteboss4
Here is the list from my Memory
Paul O'Toole resigned (with a push) and arrested.
Matthew Bentley resigned (with a push).
Mark Vallender Warned off ..lifted on appeal.
Robbie Byrnes Warned off .. under appeal.
Cam Fitzpatrick arrested.. stood down.
Greg Bennett arrested.. stood down.
Michael Russo arrested.. stood down.
Dean Atkinson arrested .. stood down.
Greg Sarina .. stood down
Ben Sarina.. stood down.
That is nine people (it was 10 but Vallender is back for now) who already have been stopped participating in Harness Racing and we all know the investigation is a long way from finished.
The fact Vallender got back on appeal shows how careful you need to be as an administrator before you act.
Bill
Or what about actually charging people that you have evidence against and not be made to look a fool in court...... I thought that is how the legal system worked
Sorry Bill, thanks for the maths lesson i was always hopeless at that.
Its my mum whos adding up the cheating prizemoney won, thank goodness.
I have been following the harness "swab scandal" since the early days and there are a lot of dots I just can't seem to join. For example where Mike Vallender fits into the script?? How can he be warned off and then reinstated so quickly....it doesn't make sense. From what I have read he got warned off for not handing over phone records but you seem to suggest Bill he is more involved? His name was mentioned from the start with the other steward but none have been charged by either harness racing or the police!!
The Sarina's have been charged with the relatively minor charge of giving false evidence. I don't realy think it is a great victory. It is not a coruption charge. But yes they have been stood down for now.
So far the only charged laid for coruption by hrnsw are:
Fitzpatric 2 charges of giving a monatary reward
Atkinson 2 charges of giving a monatary rewardand one of offering a monatary reward.
My point is if they suspect this relates to 400 races it should all be over with by about 2030.
I stand to be corrected, but i dont think Vallender has any part in this. he was originally asked to produce phone records as he is a schoolmate and partner in a thoroughbred with Bentley and his dad. This was in the early stage of the investigation and HRNSW were still trying to see who was in fact involved.
Apparently he said he would give his records to the police but not HRNSW. Thats when he was warned off.
Subsequently, HRNSW have seen his records and sought fit to reinstate him as the records showed he was not involved.
My point is if they suspect this relates to 400 races it should all be over with by about 2030.[/QUOTE]
That line made me laugh.....
Thanks for msg Dallas, I understand why you deleted it. Shits me tho you have people like him who are known in all harness racing circles too be involved. Let me turn back the clock too the other fri night at Newcastle. Lachlan jack beat a well backed patches ohoulihan, betting showed significant support for patches before support late for lauchlan. Patches hit the line head on chest mouth open, lauchlan wins at $15 rumor is sarina and trainer....... Pocketed over 35k rumors have it
No I am not suggesting anything one way or the other simply stating the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeckyBean
Mr Vallender's initial refusal to hand over his records to HRNSW no doubt frustrated the investigation, I am not sure how far it has progressed since HRNSW have had the records, only time will tell.
Unlike others I try not to form strong opinions without all the the facts
It would only frustrate an inquiry if he or other people who isn't hand over their records had done something wrong. What do phone records show anyway? Anyone can ring anyone! Either you have evidence against someone or you don't....clearly
Their isn't evidence against a lot of people that were named early on in the investigation!
In that you may be right but they were never named as being suspects by HRNSW it was just harness rumor mill it full production.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeckyBean