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Is it sensible to have races scheduled before 12.30? (especially on a Sunday)
The TAB holdings on the first 3 at Cobram today were pretty weak
You have to laugh at the effect that a small First 4 Jackpot has on the pools for the following race
The First 4 for R6 had a pool < $5k and there was a jackpot of $3,400 or $1,700 (I never know whether to halve it) and as a consequence the First 4 pool for R7 was $24,500
What time does it get dark there now Kev? Can’t see any light towers at Cobram so presume it’s an unlit track. Turnover is important of course but some of these Sunday meetings are genuine community meetings and this is one of them, charity fundraiser for the McGrath Foundation so I think oncourse stuff today takes precedence over wagering.
I’m no punter, isn’t a jackpot into the first four pool a good thing?
From the connections point of view those meetings are brilliant, especially this time of year! Nice day at the trots for the whole family and you get home while it's still daylight. Our Kyabram Cup meeting was a twilight meeting (what a joke - first race at 5:19pm). Full program of 11 races (and full fields too) - last race around 11pm. Sunday night. Much would prefer a day meeting for a cup day.
What I am laughing about Dot is that for a jackpot (free money) of as little as $2k the First 4 pool will go from $5k to $25k in the next
That is the equivalent of a Powerball prize of $3m being advertised as $4m and instead going to over $20m - it would not happen
But for some reason (the supposed pros - it has to be them for that weight of money) go ga-ga for a tiny jackpot
ps a 12.15 start and 25min between races would have been the go or just 8 races for a community meeting
But that is a good thing isn’t it Kev??
With thanks to today’s harness racing update:
https://harnessracingupdate.com/2019...arness-racing/
“HRU’s European correspondent Thomas Hedlund said Sweden’s V75 bet is the single biggest reason harness racing has been thriving in his country since the jackpot-style wager was launched more than 25 years ago.
As U.S.-born, Swedish-based trainer Jerry Riordan said, making the V75 available in family-friend areas such as grocery stores and gas stations — as opposed to bars that operate betting shops in France — creates great acceptance and exposure for the sport throughout Sweden at a young age. Harness racing is, surprisingly, a younger person’s game in Sweden compared to North America.
Even more exposure for the sport is achieved through live broadcasts of all V75 races on a Swedish national TV channel.
What’s most appealing about the bet is the potential for large jackpots. The payout record for the V75 is a life-changing 67.3 million Swedish Crowns (approximately $6.73 million U.S. dollars).
Think of it as a lottery asking people to handicap races rather than pick numbers. Instead of watching bouncing ping pong balls get selected out of a hopper, people watch horses race.
As to why other countries don’t follow Sweden’s lead and adopt the V75, Hedlund shook his head.
“I don’t know. I really don’t know. They should see and learn,” Hedlund said.“
If such a small jackpot grows our first fours as exponentially as you say it does Kev I don’t know why we don’t have the V75 either.........
Sweden is not the only country to have V75 (typical of them to claim so...). My native Finland has it well (and the industry is going even worse than over here...
Of course it is a good thing but I simply added it to point out that I find it humorousQuote:
Originally Posted by Dot
So are you talking about funding, administration or “golf” in Finland?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galli
SARCASM: Making the world a better place one insult at a time.
What has golf got to do with it Dot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dot
Ah I have just re-read post 280 and see that you are just being cute
There is a semaphore board at Ararat tonight - that has to be promising
9 races at Ballarat tomorrow night and only 62 runners with possibly more scratchings to come = an average of < 7 per raceQuote:
Originally Posted by gutwagon
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...s/?mc=BA310519
Trot Stats
@TrotStats
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May 27
The regular tracks in Vic with ave field sizes under 8 are Swan Hill (lowest at 6.9) then 5 that follow a geographic pattern around Melbourne - Warragul, Cranbourne, Yarra Valley, Geelong and Ballarat. Too many meetings programmed in this region?
Barry Collier
@bcolsyd
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May 27
Replying to
@TrotStats
Need to programme meetings where the horse population is trained now and not where they were trained 30 years ago. It’s not hard
Ballarat excluded from the horse population decline, a more unique set of circumstances there I would think.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Take a look at the Cobram Harness Facebook page Kev https://www.facebook.com/CobramHarnessRacingClub/ You'll get an idea of how big a day it has become and why a big day should have a big race card.
We often say how much the industry is driven by turnover at the expense of involvement and participation.
On the business side of it, the two pre midday races were $4500 events so there was a bit of business as usual from HRV whilst supporting the day.
The lady drivers, along with so many others, are rushing around getting involved with activities throughout the day so 25 min gaps on this day wouldn't be appropriate.
And sadly it seems as someone at HRV has seen fit to now completely undermine all the good work by moving the meeting to a Monday next year
“Daniel Hibberd
@stumpjumpa
Absolutely brilliant day yesterday at
@cobramtrots
for Pink Day. A great crowd & good racing-superb effort from all. My only gripe now is that after such great days over the last 2 seasons we have lost the Sunday meeting and have Pink Day scheduled for a Monday. Disappointing.”
Time for David Martin to step in and show some leadership
It is only an hour from Ballarat to Melton so you wouldn't think this would be the reason unless you include Melton in 'this region'Quote:
Originally Posted by Dot
I did not realize it was such a big event Wayne. I should haveQuote:
Originally Posted by arlington
Provincial Gallops clubs in NSW with million dollar races now
https://www.racingnsw.com.au/news/la...ays/?main=true
Amazing Dot
When ownership syndication is touted as a solution to our woes
Why would you buy a share in a harness horse instead of a galloper?
Sure the share in the galloper would be much smaller but the prizes are so much more
In comparison Harness is like a Lotto draw without a Division 1 prize
You would have to love our code or the hospitality - which is why I think these are 2 things we have to sell to the public (and deliver)
Believe it or not Kev there are opportunities in our code that don’t exist in TB racing but the opportunity to win Lotto style returns on a small investment is certainly not one of them!
Don’t think this one is too likely to filter down to small share syndicate holders but another $2m on offer in gallops bonuses.
https://www.thevalley.com.au/news/20...national-bonus
$24 million for SA racing in the upcoming budget announced, for infrastructure apparently. No word on distribution between codes
I received an email about this and could have put it in the 'Goodnight Harness Racing SA' thread or the 2yo thread but I thought it belonged here as it is simply Bad for SA harness racing
Last night Emma Stewart won SAs $100k Allwood Gp1 for 2yo's at $1.10 and 2nd and 3rd also went to Vic based horses - their take is 82.5% of the stakes plus all three of the free services. How can anyone think this is a good thing for SA racing. These horses were just shipped over for the heats and are therefore contributing very little to SA harness racing economy.
I think SA shouldn't worry about having a Gp1 but rather think of how they can help the locals survive. I think it would be far better for SA if all of a horses SA starts earnt points towards making the final. A completely different approach would be to forget the heats and have two $60k races - one for horses that have had a minimum three SA starts for a local trainer and one Open to all 2yo's
ps Emma obviously used a 3 horse float to go over, won a $7k and $4k races as well at money back
I can accept your comments re SA Harness Racing Kev , but the Allwood Gr1 race is exclusively for yearlings purchased at the 2018 SA Yearling Sale.Everyone has the opportunity to purchase a yearling and therefore contest the race if conditions are met. ( similar in context to the APG Sale and race ) The winner was a $25,000 purchase from that sale and was given to Emma Stewart to train.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Race conditions are set at the time of the sale.
As for the other starters from that stable: when travelling horses ( particularly 2 year olds ) it’s always best practice to take a travelling companion with them .
You don't need to defend the Stewart stable Anne - they have done what you would expect a smart stable to do. Like my emailer, I just think SA needs to think of ways to keep some money/free services in SA
I don’t think anyone can be critical of the cross border participants, theyve just done what I think most people would expect them to, as they did with the Southern Cross races, and a number of the other higher value races in SA. Whilst some border hopping is good for increasing interest and turnover (if they don’t start at money back!) in SA seeing large amounts of prizemoney regardless if it is from distribution or participant contributions or sponsorship leaving the state is not good. The challenge for SA administrators is designing programming and race conditions and prizemoney distribution that increase benefits to the local participants though preferably not discouraging border hoppers altogether.
It’s not quite true Anne that anyone can purchase a horse and compete, like the APG their are non sale entries which are not available to purchase to anyone, which in both instances not everyone considers that fair. Similarly whilst price is not a direct correlation to prospects of success the spread of quality of yearlings and price at both sales is such that not everyone can buy a yearling with similar prospects of success. Or place their yearling with the country’s statistically most successful stable
Like the Pacing Gold if the majority of participants don’t feel they have a reasonable chance of success in the race then they will certainly not continue to pay fees to participate and perhaps be discouraged from purchasing a yearling altogether. And that’s not just a problem in the end for the sales races but the industry altogether.
https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/art...-happy-ending/
Big Bets story from this week indicates how the tote turnover cannot be used as a guide to turnover
The big bet of the week was $30k on R9 on Sunday night at Shep June 9
The Vic TAB only held $6k in the win pool
That story claims it was bet on the TAB Kevin, I don't think the tote pools include fixed odds pools. Does anyone know if they do ?
I should have read the title Rick
You would have to assume that tote pools do not include fixed
It is somewhat hard to believe that they would take a $30k bet on Sunday night trots at Shep
Maybe they are gutsier than we think - $1.65 would seem to be pretty short for a 14 start 3yo maiden however
Is HRV still be stitched up every time someone bets Fixed rather than tote?
Your not suggesting something untoward is more likely to happen on a Sunday night trot at Shep then elsewhere are you Kev?
They aren’t adverse to taking large bets, their adverse to taking bets from winning punters. The punter who had this on probably has a losing overall “digital” profile, or possibly placed the bet at a bricks and mortar TAB so no digital profile to refer to.
Been no change as far as I know to HRVs share of fixed rather then parimutuel wagering.
Not thinking untoward just that I didn't think they would take too many $30k Sunday night bets on the trots
They're not going to take a $30k bet at a bricks and mortar TAB in cash are they? I would think money-laundering checks would prevent that - so I think your 'non winner account holder' is the likely scenario
Don’t know Kev if money laundering laws prevent large bets ( though no doubt they do discourage them) or just require the customers details and the transaction to be reported.
Glenn Douglass, Emma Stewart (Code Black) fair dinkum you lot in Victoria are not on a level playing field when Emma Stewart rolls up the rest of the field may as well go home. Vic harness racing has now become the most boring predictable in Australia.
I think a lot of the mile racing at Menangle might be just as boring RodQuote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
Agree. Yawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Atom
Yabby Dams/Pat Driscoll scaling back his harness team (frustrated with the industry) and getting into thoroughbreds IS NOT A GOOD SIGN
https://www.hrnz.co.nz/news/yabby-dams-scaling-back/
Would be interesting to know what changes Pat Driscoll wanted made and what ideas he has.
One rumour I have heard is that HRV did not provide the assistance with syndication that it said it wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by gutwagon
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....11-p52678.html
Prizemoney increases for Spring Carnival
( despite Amanda Elliot calling Peter V’Landys a “silly little man” for increasing prizemoney in NSW! )