Same should apply here Trish.
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Same should apply here Trish.
Reid Sanders on TrotsTV said Cobalt is now old hat, they have moved on to new things!
http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au...tvvideos/16321
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Originally Posted by The Form Student
And doesn't that stink...............but the old saying is that they will always be one step ahead of the stewards.
Keep up the good work Reid Sanders, over 80 positives your tough stand has to keep going.....throw the book at em.
WHACK - 10yrs Mr Hayward - time to find yourself a new hobby
I bookmarked this list of Cobalt results
http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au...2027082014.pdf
Was there one before this (I think this is an updated/ongoing list) or any lists since?
No, I don't think so, where are the other states on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
I think that it is current and on going (add to as new readings are published) as far as I am aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au...2027082014.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Thanks Trish - that is the most comprehensive as it has an extra couple of weeks from October 2013
I might be going mad but aren't the two web address in post 284 the same? They have the same dates when opened. Someone let me know if I'm in need of help.......
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Originally Posted by Race For Fun
Your not going mad Toni...........................
They are not exactly the same - as opening them shows tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Race For Fun
http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au...2027082014.pdf
http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au...2027082014.pdf
OOps that did not work as they do not show the full address
BUT one has the word 'updated' in the address - strangely the one that does NOT have last October in it
Yea I noticed that too Kevin, what I also noticed is that there are about 10 weeks missing, that's if they were testing for cobalt from 4/10/13. It goes to the 18/10/13 & then misses about 10 weeks & starts again 4/1/14 , I find this really strange especially that our biggest sprint race the Miracle Mile is missing its cobalt readings. Wonder if someone from HRNSW can upload them for us to look at. I'm sure it would just be an oversight. I'm sure Adam will be keen to help us
From the first 566 swabs published it showed
212 are under 5 ug/L
384 are under 10 (ie nearly 68% or over 2/3rds)
486 are under 20
512 are under 30 (ie 90% of swabbed horses)
and the median is somewhere between 5 and 10 (more relevant than the average with this range)
With this being the case you have to wonder what advantage all these legal readings between 30 and 200 ug/L could have derived
Hillier, K 48
Hillier, K 37
Hillier, K 36
Painting, J 33
Elder, B 140
Callaghan, M 52
Camilleri, A 35
Molander, N 32
Ridge, C 78
Slater, R 30
Tonkin, P 34
Tritton, S 35
Lewis, D 45
Matterson, B 100
Meredith, A 110
Rattray, J 43
Hurst, N 65
Hancock, D 30
Baverstock, R 110
Mabbott, I 62
Snudden, S 50
OShea, J 70
Elder, D 140
McDowell, C 91
McDowell, C 200
McDowell, C 110
Missen, A 31
Pizutto, K 30
Males, K 51
Druitt, D 40
Painting, M 120
Weidemann, L 120
Some might deduce that at least some of these trainers are willing to experiment with chemicals - for with the Supreme Court of NSW accepting the statistical analysis of Professor Hibbert
http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/action...?jgmtid=174661
He put the odds of finding a horse with 80 ug/L in a normal horse population at 6300/1
We really need to swab more horses - whole fields sometimes so that we have a guage as to how potent Cobalt is.
We do not know how many losers are going around with 30mg in their system
Have some of these winners with 30 in their system still got a big advantage over the ordinary horse who has under 10 ug/L
Do we want to see all trainers needing to add cobalt or buy cobalt enriched feed to have a level playing field?
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Originally Posted by Danno
Court of Appeal today
Justice R McColl
Justice R Macfarlan
Justice M Leeming
1
Hearing
10:15 AM2014/00308740
Appeal: Neil Anthony Day v Harness Racing New South Wales
Law Courts Building
Court 12A Queens Square Sydney
Thoroughly deserved
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=24980
Rodney Pike gone! Rodney Pike pleaded guilty to 5 charges & has been disqualified for a period of 8 years. In considering penalty Stewards were mindful of the following; Pike’s previous offence for a Rule 190 breach, that Cobalt is deemed a Class 1 substance under the HRNSW Penalty Guidelines, the levels recorded being 360ug/L, 530ug/L, 1200ug/L, 1440ug/L & 2360ug/L well above the threshold. Maybe the 200 micrograms threshold is too low since Colbalt is found in most horse feeds, vitamins, however, it can also be given in a powder form or injected and in this case the 200 micrograms threshold was well exceeded in each of the 5 charges.
I hope that on reading the attached file, you change your opinion. From the published results, it would seem to me that the 200mg level is four times too high.
200mg being "generous" makes the above results even worse. 2320mg is over 10 times the threshold!Quote:
Originally Posted by strong persuader
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Originally Posted by MJD
feel free to read articles posted previously by others. Post 292 could have saved your typing digit.
Any results from this appealQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
I had an absolute fill up on that race. Thought I was just a good judge.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I hope NSW are going to continue to be trailblazers in transparency. I dont think we have not had any test results after 1/7/14
I think this thread should be renamed as if you read the Supreme Courts previous judgement on the McDowell/Day case the cobalt and the chloride separate and only cobalt and or chloride are detected in the urine not cobalt chloride. Reading some of the information and facts on this issue I wonder whether some people within harness racing find it their personal mission to make a stand on this issue.
When I read the HRNSW guideline with regards penalties, they state that "This category of drugs have the highest potential to affect performance and have no generally accepted medical use in the racing horse."
If this is the case with Cobalt why is it allowed to be included in feed and supplements used in all forms of racing. First thing Read and HRNSW should be doing is closing down all feed producers that sell feed with Cobalt as an additive. What would happen if an element of a feed was EPO.
I genuinely hope that all cheats in harness racing are given the flick as soon as possible but when I examine the facts I cannot wonder why this issue is there another hidden agenda. Can't wait for the day we start testing for the amount of oats the horse was fed.
First and foremost has to be animal welfare. Injudicious use of excessive Cobalt is severely detrimental to a horse's health. From some of the Cobalt levels published Reid should be applauded for the stance he has taken. Pretty sure Reid has sought the cooperation of feed and supplement manufacturers in not increasing the level of Cobalt in their products. Am sure all trainers wouldn't let their horses have free access to the oats silo but obviously some have been willing to over dose with Cobalt in whatever form. And I'm pretty sure trainers know over loading with a gut full of oats won't improve performance but they do know about Cobalt but not the consequences to their horse's long term health. Here's a delusional thought, racing authorities rule horses can race on oats and chaff only. Still only one winner, still horses for people to punt on.
The swabbing procedures test for cobalt. The fact that cobalt comes as cobalt chloride is like putting milk on your weet-bix, the body finds it much easier to process. Its like adding ascorbic acid to iron, its easier absorbed. It is a category 1 "drug" when used at levels above the allowable threshold . Bi carb is also illegal at high levels . Cobalt is allowed in feed and other supplements because it is a naturally occurring heavy metal which is not easily absorbed and there is no chance of reaching the threshold ,or even getting close ,if you obey the rules . I think everyone should make it their personal mission to make a stand . Have you seen or heard about this years breeding numbers disaster ?
http://www.harnesslink.com/New-Zeala...t-for-breeders
I am going to put the above link in the Ray Chaplin thread Trish
For those who did not read his report but find Trish's link interesting - just read the 'blue' in the first post in the following thread
http://www.harnessracingforum.com/sh...industry-sport
It still stuns me that he sent his report to HRA and never even received acknowledgement of receipt
Can you please post a link to this cobalt report that you have mentioned so we can read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pena
I might be wrong I often am but wasn't Mr Beatie head steward while the "green light affair" was going on? If I am wrong on this point I apologise.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1....1719/abstract
You have to pay $6 to view the report for 48 hours. The summary does tell you the basics however. A nano gram per ml or ug/ml is the same a microgram per litre.
Don't get me wrong I am not giving the thumbs up to the previous chief just see there is a total lack of transparency at present.
http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...squalification
I wonder who wrote this???
It was issued by the HRNSW stewards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pena
It seems that the stewards, have got someone that has not totally exceeded the TCO2 levels, on other charges to assist with their case, tubing close to a race within 48 hours, unlicensed persons administering the TCO2, and not maintain proper treatment records! (well!......no records)............but not for exceeding the thresholds! This is interesting.
The stewards are leaving open the findings, and don't really care whether the trainer or someone else the trainer engaged, to stomach tube the horses within 48 hours of the race? I am not sure they have the evidence to prove who it was, or also whether they can prove they were tubed within 48 hours of the race! I don't know the answer to the question, that if you tube a horse within 72 hours of a race with TCO2, whether it is still in their system to the levels recorded?
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Originally Posted by Messenger
I am more interested in seeing the latest test results JackQuote:
Originally Posted by Pena
Ignorance is bliss I suppose Messenger
http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au...2001122014.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Messenger
Who said ignorance is bliss.
A nano gram per ml or ug/ml is the same a microgram per litre.
1000nanograms (ng)= 1 microgram (ug)
1000mls = 1 litre.
Without going through the figures in a statistical fashion <10 looks the norm.
> 10-15 my observation would be that there is some additive involved
> 20 definitely intervention - not natural
Intrigued to see some consistent stables and "Superstars" in >20 category
Should be concerning for everyone.