Penrith's off...again.

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Originally Posted by triplev123

It doesn't Breno. There may well be re-handicapping of NZ/US/CAN imports but as far as Australian bred & performed horses being sold Interstate it does not happen.

Yeah but, how did Upward Ever Upward end up being (not exact figures here) a C2 in NSW and then a C7 when crossing the border south? Again, Victoria may have backflipped I don't know but to get that situation in the first place tells me Victoria/Individual states keep their own records.
Also, QLD horses were racing for $10'000 and Perth upped the Metro penalty to $13K or something. There was a mass exodus of horses from QLD to WA because nice M2 horses were suddenly M0s.

Not familiar with that one Breno. My understanding is that Australian performed horses that cross State boarders are not re-handicapped. Perhaps there are anomalies where they may fall into easier or harder grades by way of 'local rules' ?

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

Yeah but, how did Upward Ever Upward end up being (not exact figures here) a C2 in NSW and then a C7 when crossing the border south? Again, Victoria may have backflipped I don't know but to get that situation in the first place tells me Victoria/Individual states keep their own records.
Also, QLD horses were racing for $10'000 and Perth upped the Metro penalty to $13K or something. There was a mass exodus of horses from QLD to WA because nice M2 horses were suddenly M0s.

Breno look up the horse on the HRA website and you will see the races he won were c class races here in NSW not all R races he was i think a C6 when he went to VIC

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Originally Posted by Greg Hando

Breno look up the horse on the HRA website and you will see the races he won were c class races here in NSW not all R races he was i think a C6 when he went to VIC

The race conditions were put up with Country fronts and prizemoney was over $3000 but using discretion due to the circumastances of EI HRNSW made them Restricted penalty.
I went and looked it up, he won 4 of these such C front races with >$3000 prizemoney; which would have made him a C4. But; when EI restrictions were loosened he went off and ended up winning his C0 at Young which proves that during the EI period HRNSW made them Restricted penalty.
Thing is; Victoria made him a C4 when in NSW he was adjudged as a C0; and you will find Brett Woodhouse did not take him down to Victoria until such time he was C6+.
http://www.harness.org.au/rules/AUSTHCPR.PDF
Scroll to bottom and read rule 19. It says to me races programmed like the EI races being R only impact on that local state governing body (being HRNSW in this instance) and that HRA (and therefore other states) must comply with the normal rules; therefore the other states must apply a C penalty as that is the normal rule.

Which in the context of these races now, despite HRNSW, the local governing body, counting the $20K finals as Country penalty under the HRA rules it is Metro penalty (going by $20K prizemoney but race conditions may allow such that the race can be C penalty Australia wide I am not too sure) and the other states are bound by these rules. I doubt this will impact much anyway as the NSW horses will race at Menangle for their Metro racing anyway if they reach that level (although a few in the Riverina do sneak down to Melton and with the increasing competitiveness at Menangle due to larger prizemoney this may happen more frequently).

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

The race conditions were put up with Country fronts and prizemoney was over $3000 but using discretion due to the circumastances of EI HRNSW made them Restricted penalty.
I went and looked it up, he won 4 of these such C front races with >$3000 prizemoney; which would have made him a C4. But; when EI restrictions were loosened he went off and ended up winning his C0 at Young which proves that during the EI period HRNSW made them Restricted penalty.
Thing is; Victoria made him a C4 when in NSW he was adjudged as a C0; and you will find Brett Woodhouse did not take him down to Victoria until such time he was C6+.
http://www.harness.org.au/rules/AUSTHCPR.PDF
Scroll to bottom and read rule 19. It says to me races programmed like the EI races being R only impact on that local state governing body (being HRNSW in this instance) and that HRA (and therefore other states) must comply with the normal rules; therefore the other states must apply a C penalty as that is the normal rule.

Thank's for that only going on what i read on the result's sheet as far as c races we weren't aloud to race up here for 4 - 5 months so didn't know what condition's were placed on these races

aussie is 100% correct about what hes said, i remember it clearly - the connections of horses that won those races were going off when they nominated in victoria only to be told they would be taking a penalty against what they were told by hrnsw

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Originally Posted by smithy

aussie is 100% correct about what hes said, i remember it clearly - the connections of horses that won those races were going off when they nominated in victoria only to be told they would be taking a penalty against what they were told by hrnsw

States not working together for the betterment of the sport to many ego's to feed perhaps

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Originally Posted by Greg Hando

States not working together for the betterment of the sport to many ego's to feed perhaps

Moreso think it was rule 19 from my link; well that is my theory anyway.

Some interesting news to hand today.
A fella I know who's close to and so well versed in the machinations of the State Government here in NSW was filling me in on the various proposed development areas in & around where I live and we got to talking about Eastern Creek & surrounds. I mentioned to him that there was land available out there where it was recently proposed two or three race clubs might relocate to. To my surprise he was well aware of it all & added the concerning comment that 'they'd better not wait too long to make up their minds, they'll only get one shot at it'. Apparently there are a fair number of ideas lined up for consideration & only so much suitable land to go around. This conversation bothered me greatly because eventually those who currently oppose any sale & move will either fall by the wayside or see the light and change their minds...but chances are that it will be all too late by then.