Can Drug Testing alone catch or stop DRUG cheats? - Richard Freedman on TripleM Radio

This is also interesting. From a pdf on a US based racing medications website.

Of the four substances, namely testosterone, boldenone, nandrolone, and stanzolol, the first three are naturally occurring, also known as endogenous, in the horse.
Testosterone is present in intact males, gelded males, and fillies while nandrolone and boldenone are naturally occurring in both intact and gelded males. As with all drugs, withdrawal times are specific to the formulation.
As a group, anabolic steroids stay around for a long time, longer than any other group of drugs used in racing. Trainers should be looking at a minimum of 30 days with the water-based anabolic steroids, such as stanozolol (Winstrol) and aqueous testosterone.
The oil-based anabolic steroids, such as Equipoise

boldenone), Durabolin (nandrolone) and testosterone, will need a minimum of 45 days.

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

Dizzy, if you do prematurely cut VVVs manhood off make sure to check if he is still producing testosterone. You will find even though he is now gelded he would still produce testosterone, just like a gelded horse.

Brenno I have no interest in VVV testosterone levels gelded or not, my interest is in his claim that trainers across the country are administering boldonone to geldings right across the country with impunity from the rules. Testosterone is not Boldonone, and the Boldonone threshold in the rules for geldings is zero

More of NO SUCH THING AS

HKJK
Prohibited Substances

Rule 136.(1) For the purposes of these rules the following are prohibited substances:-

(i) Substances capable of xxxxxxxxxxx
etc

(iii) Masking Agents

(2) Prohibited substances below the following thresholds are not actionable:-

Boldenone................0.015 microgram free and conjugated boldenone per millilitre in urine from MALE HORSES ( other than geldings)

Testosterone............0.02 microgram free and conjugated testosterone per millilitre in urine from geldings, or
0.055 microgram xxxxxxxxxxxx from fillies & mares (unless in foal)
As an aside~ Horses Don't Inject themselves.

Rule 139. Any person commits an offence against these Rules if found to to have administered or caused to be administered a prohibited substance in a horse.

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Originally Posted by dizzy

Brenno I have no interest in VVV testosterone levels gelded or not, my interest is in his claim that trainers across the country are administering boldonone to geldings right across the country with impunity from the rules. Testosterone is not Boldonone, and the Boldonone threshold in the rules for geldings is zero

[VVV] Geeze, you sure know how to hurt a guy Dot.
I don't think I've ever felt more rejected than I do right now. I offer you your very own pair of Jatz crackers, namely mine, & you turn around and knock me back. :(
Seriously though, can you point to the section of/words within the HRA rules where it actually says that the Boldenone threshold for geldings is in fact zero? I can't find it.
I just went and cut and pasted and posted what appeared to be the applicables from the HRA website. Is there a further piece there that applies to geldings which I have missed?
All I can see is that it says, in male horses other than geldings?
Is that perhaps a rule by inference as opposed to it being stated in black & white...you know, what the reader happens to read into it as opposed to what it actually says? What am I missing?
The school of thought here is that if it is as the rule states 'at a mass concentration of 15 micrograms per litre in urine' then, a by default a gelding...sans his Jatz, could still be be given a dose of boldenone that comes in under that 15 micrograms & effectively it skates because no threshold appears to have been mentioned anywhere.
All it says as far as I can see is 'other than geldings'.
If it is as you suggest and this is simply another example of a badly worded rule ala the inspired blood versus cardiovascular system defence mounted by Geoff Small's Law Talkin Guy then I can hear Lionel Hutzs across the country who's practices defend such racing transgressions already writing that one down on their memo pads.

Hey Look, we just earned a $1

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Originally Posted by mark diegutis

Hi Greg . I was told that the horse was given to a prominent trainer out west and couldn't get hot . He was spelled after the pony trot . Pony trots are run every month at Newcastle , so we might see you there and boldenone is used if you want an improved performance . It achieves an increased level of natural EPO and gives the horse an increased appetite as well as building muscle . You can work them harder than would be normal therefore achieving a much higher level of fitness . Steroids are prescribed to help a horse heal after a severe injury or to pick them up when ill and won't eat . Not when they're winning races .

Thank's Mark for your info much appreciated and i looked that horse up Steve Turnbull had him i think.

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Originally Posted by Lethal

Hey Look, we just earned a $1

[VVV] You're writing your own jokes again I see. :rolleyes:
An inability or an unwillingness to express oneself beyond the extent of that which is unfortunately displayed weekly on 'The Footy Show' is no great claim to fame, Lee.

Another $1

Hey Lee , thats a dollar each , remember we're going halves and Jaimie I've just sharpened up the old Joseph Rogers and I wanna knock out those jatz crackers REAL BAD !!!

Is it just me or is the constant reference to Triple's "niagara falls" becoming a tad scary...... Lol