i have a mare nowuseemenowudont by holmes hanover what would your thoughts be for stallion choice
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i have a mare nowuseemenowudont by holmes hanover what would your thoughts be for stallion choice
what type,size of mare is she?
Are you breeding to race or sell?
What is your budget?
Ditto. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mightymo
Just looked her up - gee there is some old lines up close on her! :)
I see you have a double up of Nibble Hanover on the dam's side i've alway's liked him as a sire just toss a coin on any sire's you like and breed to the one you like and can afford then let fate take over
she is between 15.2 and15.3 good temperament.budget no worries.to sell or race not sure
Go to Cullen once more, you should get a discount if you push hard enough.
good luck.
Maternal Line Descendants for
Dottie Rosecroft (1945)
- Dottie Hal 1960 (F U12 ) by Irish Hal - 2:16.0US [3]
- Perette Hanover 1976 (F U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - 1:58.1US $219,604 [1]
- Carlsbad Cam 1989 (M U12 ) by Cam Fella - 1:51.0US $1,124,482
- Pert Dottie 1966 (F U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - 2:08.4US $4,198 [3]
- Perna Hanover 1973 (F U12 ) by Tar Heel - 2:03.2US $21,884 [5]
- Coal Harbor 1979 (M U12 ) by Albatross - 1:52.3US $465,620
- Conquered Quest 1985 (F U12 ) by Sonsam - 1:52.4US $863,514 [1]
- Gabrielle 1992 (F U12 ) by Dragons Lair - 1:51.0US $139,376 [2]
- Open Plains 1999 (F U12 ) by Western Hanover - 1:54.4US $98,184
- Won the West 2004 (G U12 ) by Western Hanover - 1:47.0US $3,544,024
- Prize Sarnel 1981 (M U12 ) by Sonsam - 1:54.0US $95,142
- Questmore 1986 (F U12 ) by Sonsam - 2:00.4US $3,500 [1]
- Motivation 1992 (F U12 ) by Direct Scooter - 1:52.3US $300,847 [3]
- Figure the Odds 2000 (F U12 ) by Artiscape - 1:51.1US $247,641
- Good Vibrations 1999 (F U12 ) by Presidential Ball - 1:55.4US $67,180 [1]
- Beach Boy Toy 2005 (G U12 ) by Artiscape - 1:51.1US $190,433
- Xhilaration 2003 (F U12 ) by Western Hanover - 1:51.3US $235,969
- Rossatross 1980 (M U12 ) by Albatross - T1:58.1US $16,637
- Perta Hanover 1974 (F U12 ) by Tar Heel - . [1]
- Lushkara 1979 (F U12 ) by Albatross - 1:54.3US $213,781 [4]
- Camtastic 1985 (M U12 ) by Cam Fella - 1:49.3USTT $2,117,619
- Loving Proof 1988 (F U12 ) by Cam Fella - 1:55.2US $107,402 [7]
- Because I Said So 1993 (F U12 ) by Jate Lobell - . [2]
- Ive Got Life 1998 (M U12 ) by Life Sign - 1:50.4US $442,006
- Thou Shalt Not 2006 (F U12 ) by Real Desire - 1:52.1US $139,609
- Bernies Buck 1995 (G U12 ) by Jate Lobell - 1:54.3US $69,448
- Jated Love 2000 (F U12 ) by Jate Lobell - 1:53.3US $36,078 [1]
- So Over 2008 (M U12 ) by Artiscape - 1:54.0US $35,469
- Juliets Fate 1996 (F U12 ) by Jate Lobell - 1:50.1US $682,094 [3]
- One Last Kiss 2007 (F U12 ) by Artsplace - 1:53.3US $150,917
- Southwind Jason 2003 (M U12 ) by Artsplace - 1:52.0US $88,649
- Southwind Jazmin 2008 (F U12 ) by Art Major - 1:52.3US $178,244
- Proven Lover 2004 (M U12 ) by Real Desire - 1:49.4US $374,065
- Return to Me 1999 (F U12 ) by Jate Lobell - 1:53.1US $104,393
- Righteous Renee 2002 (F U12 ) by Western Ideal - 1:53.3US $163,393
- Lush Limbaugh 1995 (F U12 ) by Presidential Ball - 1:52.2US $212,534 [1]
- Yankee Lariat 2001 (M U12 ) by Western Hanover - 1:50.4US $421,560
- Pure Drama 1991 (F U12 ) by Matts Scooter - Pacer $49,020 [2]
- Matinee 1996 (F U12 ) by Abercrombie - . [2]
- Cheyenne Adrienne 2002 (F U12 ) by Jate Lobell - 1:53.1US $128,614
- Up Front Bethann 2005 (F U12 ) by Dragon Again - 1:51.1US $583,694
- You Tell Gordy 2002 (G U12 ) by Cams Card Shark - 1:50.2US $216,098
- Pinafore Hanover 1984 (F U12 ) by Bret Hanover - . [1]
- Armbro Sarong 1996 (F U12 ) by Dragons Lair - . [1]
- Boos Boy 2001 (G U12 ) by Cambest - 1:50.4US $299,264
- Que Vero 1969 (F U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - 2:01.1US $120,581 [1]
- Sammi Killean 1984 (F U12 ) by Samadhi - 1:59.3US $55,713 [1]
- Sammies Cammi 1994 (F U12 ) by Camluck - 1:54.3US $171,299 [1]
- Mary Artman 2003 (F U12 ) by Artsplace - 1:53.1US $125,026
- Dottie Sampson 1958 (F U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - 2:11.3US $838 [1]
- Power Baron 1971 (M U12 ) by Baron Hanover - 1:58.0US $224,298
- Sampson Direct 1957 (M U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - 1:56.0US $137,486
- Sister Dottie 1963 (F U12 ) by Sampson Hanover - [2]
- Cream Ridge 1975 (F U12 ) by Knight Dream - [1]
- Ridgelift 1988 (F U12 ) by Noodlum - 2:03.0 $8,422 [1]
- Nowuseemenowudont 1997 (F U12 ) by Holmes Hanover - 1:58.8 $116,931 [1]
- Nowuseeme 2004 (F U12 ) by Christian Cullen - 1:57.2 $287,324
- Miss Dottie 1970 (F U12 ) by Knight Dream - 2:00.0TTUS $21,979 [1]
- Brets Antique 1976 (F U12 ) by Bret Hanover - 2:01.0US $20,751 [2]
- Energise 1981 (M U12 ) by Albatross - 1:53.4US $237,519
- Thinking Aloud 1982 (M U12 ) by Albatross - q1:56.2US $93,024
Bonus! Pretty bloody well apparently.
That's from Classic Families if it is any help. Some good ones in recent times, Won The West (1:47.0 & $3.5mil) etc.
Interesting to see that your mare's great grandam is a full sister to the sire of Direct Scooter so it might be interesting to go to a sire with Direct Scooter present in his paternal lineage like Mach Three, Somebeachsomewhere, Rocknroll Hanover, Rock n Roll Heaven, Courage Under Fire, etc, Rock N Roll Heaven has the same concept in his breeding - Artistic Vision's (his dam) great grandam is a full sister to No Nukes.
Being by Holmes Hanover some infusion of modern bloodlines and speed would be nice too - so you probably wouldn't want to see Meadow Skipper too close in the sire's pedigree, and you'd want the meadow skipper coming through a female in the sire's pedigree as it comes through a male line in your mare. From the ones I mentioned above Mach Three has him in the 3rd generation, Somebeachsomewhere in the 4th, Rocknroll Hanover in the 4th, Rock N Roll Heaven in the 5th, Courage Under Fire in the 4th - I'd go for Rock N Roll Heaven to get that more modern bloodline, and a great pedigree to match Australasian mares. Second choice - go back to Christian Cullen as he also carries Direct Scooter and it has been proven successful before.
thanks for input.mare is already in foal to cullen was in foal early but slipped at 49 days,does getting back into old maid through stallion benefit
I also think injecting speed into your mare would be a good thing.
I like the following:(besides the obvious in Christian Cullen)
Mach Three
Courage Under fire
American Ideal
Jeremes Jet
Some other stallions that should be considered are :-
Art Major ($12000) - the only sire in the world with 4 in 1:48, consistently leading sire in both hemispheres
Somebeachsomewhere ($13200) - considered by some as the best racehorse ever, oldest are yearlings
Rocknroll Hanover $12500) - good racehorse, very well bred, successful sire
Rock N Roll Heaven ($8800) - outstanding racehorse, very well bred, 1st year at stud
Western Ideal at $13,750 i think is great value for money.
Couldn't agree more Mightymo...and I'd add Shadow Play.Quote:
Originally Posted by mightymo
All 5 of them were good gaited & had some wicked speed.