Interesting stat...!!!!!!!!!
Wasnt long ago his horses were running through brick walls.
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Interesting stat...!!!!!!!!!
Wasnt long ago his horses were running through brick walls.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Try again Phil. The fact that David took some time out to get married a few weeks ago & since then I suspect has more than likely been on a honeymoon wouldn't have come into it of course. Is there anything else I can help you with? The earth is round by the way, not flat.
Good call 3 x V HA HA
That would have to be the greatest reason ever for the team going off form :)
Haha Bzzzzz..........
He has had plenty of runners and all have struggled.
40+ starters for 3 winners this season.
The stats dont lie. The stewards "warning" doesnt either...........
He only got married last week. Honeymoon..??? He was at Menangle on Tuesday. Thats not an excuse.
Oh and Greg..your just a nuffy from the bush. You claim to know alot about everything. But know nothing........
Ahuh.
Uncle Russ, he must be ever so proud of you.
So much for your Real Names policy Admin.
What are you going to do about this one???
The McCarthy factor must also be acknowledged......winning 2 to 3 races every meeting....
Don't claim to no much about anything Dust just an opinion like everybody else perhap's the boy from the bush might run into you one day and have a good yarn i suppose you live in the city somewhereQuote:
Originally Posted by Dust
so i might see you at Menangle one day or perhap's Penrith and a little tip you shouldn't throw insult's toward's those you don't know from behind a computer it's not very nice and just for
interest how long have you been in the game for and at what capacity owner,trainer etc ?
[VVV] What a factor it is Fred. Luke's stable is absolutely roaring, his horses are racing great & I think he's driving as well as I've ever seen him. Very professional. Good bloke too. Ever met Belinda, his other half? Very aggresive woman.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by doinmabest
I like how he drives them kindly Jaimie..... Haven't met Belinda but I must be married to her half sister.......
Yeh, I'd agree with that. His horses look good, obviously feel good & they'll race accordingly.
He has great hands too, rates them so well & he has a knack of getting their best but at the same time I can't ever remember seeing him knock one about. Above all else he seems to keep them mentally fresh/sharp.
Hi Fred, good calling tonight. Bit off topic , but any more news about the proposed change of bringing back the Menangle 2300 to 2200 ?
Thanks Mate looking forward to it. As for the distance changes, no, it is quiet on that front David, my mail was good though.......Watch this space (or the 800m point as it may be) for a new distance.....
hey Fred
Just make sure you call my girl home first tonight please!:):)
I think I will be Harvey.....Good Luck Mate
Thanks Fred. Its probably her second last start in Aust, before she heads off to the USA to race
Aha Pot Kettle Greg....
You cant handle someone bagging you. You have been on here for some time doing it to others.
Maybe its time to turn the screws..........
Would be a pleasure to catch up some time soon. You never know...!!!!!
Fred, is it possible to alter the 2300m start as the back straight is lengthy enough to adjust by at least 100m??
Thats probably the only downside of having such a big track. Limited distances.......
Certainly will shorten the run to the first turn.... Becomes
A 200m run before they hit the bend....
Tell me where i bagged someone i don't remember it the only one's i bagged were the cheat's i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Dust
Greg , a bit of advice about this original poster , who has undoubtedly used a previous alias and has a "not too well hidden" agenda in posting in the forums.
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If you just ignore their crap they will have nothing to argue with you about and usually crawl back under the rock they came from. Answering them back is what keeps them posting. I suspect that several of us have had words with this poster previously in his/her other persona.
Thank's for your advice David the post's do sound familiar in context your point is noted.
David Thorn has had the same horses really since start of last season, quite possible they are all on there marks, whilst people like Luke mcarthy constantly have horses worth 50k plus continuously flowing through his barn.. But I must admit tho Thorns horses have really really head butted the brick wall, whilst I say that his team may have hit there marks they do not hit it as fast as his have.. There is a small underlining reason I'm sure
True Dave has had the same horses for the past year and yes most of them have hit there mark. Most of Daves winners come before Luke hit town and now the fitzpatricks are getting some real nice horses come through the stables.
Harvey, who do u send your horses to in the states ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mightymo
This is the first one i have sent over there to race.
I am most likely sending her to Noel Daley. Besides being a very good trainer, Luke's brother works for Noel and also drives for him, so he will be able to keep a close eye on her for me.
Very professional is Luke and his team. I sent a horse over a few months ago and he has kept constantly in touch with us. Good bloke, good horseman.Quote:
Originally Posted by triplev123
Also re: David Thorn, I think the interview he did a few weeks ago on trots tv he suggested he would have a quite early season.
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so i might see you at Menangle one day or perhap's Penrith and a little tip you shouldn't throw insult's toward's those you don't know from behind a computer it's not very nice
Greg, you should take your own advice..........
Easy to sit and judge others..........its gunna bite you this time.
David........Best to mind your own business.
This is a forum and a public one at that.
I have only one agenda now............
Since 1 September David Thorn has had 42 starters for 6 winners and 14 placings (plus a further 7 4ths). Personally I don't consider them bad stats! Especially when you take into consideration the McCarthy factor!
I remembered reading through this thread and found it strange all the excuses that were given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dust
It seems things havent changed for David.
3 months on and it gets worse.......
76 starts for 8 wins.......thats almost 1 win for every 10 runners.
Last season he was going at just over 1 win for every 4 runners.
Let me guess the same members that are standing up for the new poster boy , were standing up for thorny when he was running rampant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonie
Probably with the same OUT TRAINING OUT DRIVING MANTRA
In Victoria a similar thing seemed to happen, a pair from down Cranbourne way and the Fat Butcher lost all there steam.
If i can add something to Stonie's post. David now has 55% placing's 1st - 4th as a trainer and 53% as a driver at Menangle no not going very good at all.
Yeah you got it Cassie, Same old....crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by candykisses
Its funny how most trainers can work away and get similar results year in year out.
Whilst others have these unexplainable bursts where their horses are unbeatable.
There are a handful of them around and this is something that should be looked at.
They are quite happy to pick up a form reversal of a horse but not trainers......
I certainly wouldn't accuse anybody training today of any malpractice;however I do make my own private assessment of trainers and horses and generally keep it to myself. I'm like Bill (Thevoiceofreason), I've been around horses a lot longer than most on this forum. I've been through the late 60's,70's 80's and 90's and I know how it works. There were trainers bobbing up from nowhere during the 70's & 80's, achieving almost instant success and then disappearing, due mainly to the analytical labs. Nothing has changed except the swab testing has become a lot more sophisticated and you better be more than one step ahead of them.
On saying this the penalties for positive swabs are becoming more and more lenient and trainers are taking advantage of this.Its imperative that an analyse of what drugs can be used (therapeutic) and what can't (performance enhancing) be presented and made legal.
I think in the current climate, people are entitled to be a little curious or ask questions, especially when particular trainers racetrack results warrant it. This is due to the ongoing swabbing and bribing scandal in NSW and also the fact there is still no test available for detecting the presence of ITPP in swab samples. In my opinion if both of these issues were put to bed, people may have more peace of mind that all trainers are competing on a level playing field.
I thought a good point was raised in an earlier post, if stewards can inquire about an improved performance of a horse in a race (or even a poor performance in a race), why can't the same thing be done with trainers who's teams have gone from average to firing in a matter of weeks/months.
I was talking to some friends in the industry afew weeks ago. I mentioned to them to keep an eye out for Ronnie Lloyd's horses around Sydney, they seemed to be firing way above their abilities and performances of a couple of months earlier. Sure enough not even a fortnight later it was made public one of his runners obtained a positive swab at Penrith. It just goes to show where there is smoke, more often than not there is fire.
I posted on this thread yesterday with a post that was not in any way inflammatory can the moderator that removed it please private message me with the reason so I do not break the rules again.
Very true......Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rainmaker
I doubt David has any involvement in the current scandal but with the influx of American influences of late things have gotten out of control.
I just hope that every swab frozen of late is tested when available. Just because things cant be detected now doesnt mean it should be let go.
I agree. but on the frozen swabs I don't understand what will happen in the future should a swab go positive to a new drug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonie
Will prize money that has been paid have to be returned?
If a trainer has several positive swabs to the same drug over a period of time will this be seen as a single offence or several?
Can a trainer clam that at the time of the race the undetictibal was not on the probihideted substance list.
My opinion is this is uncharted territory and should it happen open a massive can of worms.
I remember the same calmes made years ago when EPO was rumered to be around. But to my knowledge no one in harness racing has ever had an EPO positive.
I honestly believe this will all eventuate to nothing. I really dought itpp in being used in Australian racing. It's just the same as its always been and the rumer mill keeps on spinning out the usual crap.