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Since the 21st July 2011 , the cheats associated with the betting scandal have made $563,909.00 . This does not include most of the rumoured cheats . Nor does it include those still racing under a positive swab investigation . The true figure would be far greater .
The wrong people are taking this money from the right people .
This is happening on your watch. :mad:
I will keep you up to date.
Well said!
How did you come up with that figure Pete ?
Figure is calculated from HHNSW prizemoney list & is + or - 5%.
Fair dinkumQuote:
Originally Posted by peteboss4
Give the bloke a break, the last time I looked we were living in Australia not a South American dictatorship. You, I and everybody else may think they know who has done what, but that doesn't alter the fact that we are still innocent until proven guilty. How many times does it need to be said there is an investigation by the police going on? Their approach is vastly different to what HRNSW can do, and given the potential for criminal charges and use of the State's Criminal jurisdiction, there is absolutely no doubt their (police) investigation should take precedence. Why would anyone want to jeopardise the criminal prosecutions?
Oh, and by the way, how do I know who you claim to be the 'right people' are in fact the right people? That's only your opinion, for all I know some of them may be implicated in this sordid affair! That's the problem when you move away from a structure, thorough and comprehensive investigtion, we may miss some of the culprits and wrong doers, it takes time to do it properly, and if in the mean time some of them are benefitting so what. I'd rather get them than run the risk of having to put up with them in the future!!!!!
Regards
Mark
[VVV] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgq1g-2cQ54Quote:
Originally Posted by peteboss4
This thread starter has the bad attitude and smell of another now recently banned poster. Banned using two different identities previously , are you back yet again Alex with more inflammatory posts ??
Co-coincidently "Pete" , you joined the forums on the very day that the last incarnation of "Alex" was banned. Mmmmmm.
The thread starter is an idiot matched only by us who have been stupid enough to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Summers
HRNSW and therefore Sam have done an excellent job of not acting too harshly which may have seen an easy way out for the wrong doers.
We should be cheering them from the rooftops.
Sam has done a great job just to get this going and has not taken any easy options. In his past career in the media and his current position at HRNSW, he has displayed one common theme and that's a passion for the sport. Let him run his race at his pace. In time we can judge the result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thevoiceofreason
Well said Mark , VOR and p plater. Agree with your comments here. Let's all just ignore the trolls who just post crap in the forums to stir others.Quote:
Originally Posted by p plater
How do you define a great job? In terms of passion, commitment etc. then it seems that Sam is high order.
If the cheats have made over half a million dollars since July then maybe he hasn't done a great job.
Maybe Peter Allen is making a valid point?
Harness Racing members get really frustrated when they see a few people getting the lions share of the prizemoney and that trend seems to be continuing.
Dont forget Sam met with Mr X (haha) and his Daddy when he should not have been even remotely involved or linked with these clowns........Now that was a great decision......NOT.
Thanks Jett, i feel i do have a valid point . Confidence in harness racing is at an all time low .
Punting in harness racing has dropped off alarmingly . Breeding is in disarray with numbers dropping again this year .
Sam to us seems a very nice bloke , but he IS CEO and is ultimately responsible .
I understand that people are upset about the facts expressed in my post but part of my income is being taken from me .
This affects , not only those who miss out on prizemoney , it also affects everyone in the industry right down to the poor sod
who has to prepare his yearling for the sales this year . Im not trying to belittle harness racing . Im just stating facts.
My wifes the troll David , not me .
Peter you don't train a horse named Baltic by any chance?
No Eric , just have an invested interest in a couple that have been beaten by the alledged .
No probs mate, a bloke by the same name trains that horse I mentioned out in Western Sydney.
Thank's Pete no worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteboss4
Totally agree with Peter, well said, if the rorts have been going on for 18 mths like hrnsw have said , the honest trainers/drivers/owners have been treated like mushrooms,paying bills supporting the industry that was cheating us. Why let it go on for so long ???
David I think you don't like anyone that speaks the truth and says it how it is so ! Quick to bag people in the forum, have a look at your stupid comments ! I think ringman was on the money reading his prior posts
"John" , what an amazing co-incidence that you suddenly bring up the name of the banned poster ringman for no reason at all when he is not even mentioned anywhere in this thread. Been feeling a little lonely "John" so have re-incarnated yourself and then doing some self promotion saying how wonderful your past posts have been. For some reason , the fact that you are banned RINGMAN in the forums, says it all. You are banned , stay banned!Quote:
Originally Posted by Airds
David are you one of the people eating Lobster Thermadore in the directors room on Metro nights??????
We listen to what you have to say . Even you have a right to free speech . Give that courtesy to others .
There is a new position that has come up for a dictator in Libya.
Hope you get the job . Your well qualified .
Once again it appears someone has upset David.....Oh my.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Summers
David wouldnt know whats going on if there was no internet. Albeit probably dial-up.
JohnQuote:
Originally Posted by Diesel
Are you honestly saying that as CEO of HRNSW Sam Nati should have said to any licensed person over the past few months " sorry I can not meet with you to discuss an issue because you may or may not be involved in an upcoming investigation to be conducted by stewards panel of HRNSW.
Sam is not a steward so will not make any findings in relation to guilt or if a breach of the rules has occurred, he is a servant of the industry and as such is under an obligation to meet with and discuss issues of concern with licensed people on a daily if not hourly basis, in fact I am tipping it is one such discussion which led to the current investigation in the first place.
I will continue to say it, for mine they are batting at nearly 100% so far and heads are stilling rolling.
If the meeting was a formal meeting in Sam Nati's office during business hours, no problem at all Bill. The fact this meeting between Father X, Mr X and Sam Nati was an informal meeting, over a beer at a public bar, after allegations were brought to the media by Sam Nati himself in early August smacks of unprofessionalism and particpants have the right to ask questions about it. Sam has no-one else to blame for any flak he cops over this incident other than himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thevoiceofreason
Sam has done and will continue to do good things for Harness Racing but the only reason this family went to Sam was to try and broker a deal. Unfortunately Sam had no power to deal. Now that may sound okay but this family seem to think they are bigger than Harness Racing. Mr X has since been arrested and the family has crashed back to Earth.
Things will get a lot nastier soon if his Mummy gets the opportunity to vent...........
How funny David loves to have his two cents worth but can not take someone else having a say ! I will say it again ring mans posts were spot on !