What would your top 5 picks be from any of the sale's in Australia and N.Z over the next couple of month's.
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What would your top 5 picks be from any of the sale's in Australia and N.Z over the next couple of month's.
Always fun to do this and look and see how your picked worked out!
On paper I like 298, the American Ideal filly from Death And Taxes.
TripleV123, I did see that one, what would you name her?
-Joeblack
-Benfranklin
-Tea party
-Occupy wall street
-Murdoch
I've come up with 4 so far
Shepparton Sale Lot 28 Kenneth J - Tailamade Lombo filly
Melbourne Premium Sale Lot 44 Grin - Soky's Number filly
Sydney Premium Sale Lot 273 SBSW - Boldandbeautifull filly
Australasian Classic Sale Lot 168 Sundon - Sound Of Chiola filly
[VVV] Money Never Sleeps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starship Captain
Obviously the Melbourne Premium Sale is the only sale worth looking at....
Lot14: Promise - Art Major. It's always a good thing when the sales book doesn't get to the second dame. More importantly though, the cross worked before with Art Majors lessor performed brother resulting in Sir Galvinator. 2yo full brother' Truman' yet to race but I will keep my eye on him too. Some may criticise based on age of mare.
Lot 32: Counterfeit Girl - Art Major. You've heard this before, anything Perfect Art can do Art Major can do better!
Lot 40: Gold Sarn - Art Major. This would have been in no matter the sire - I don't actually have an Art Major obsession. Although not the best performed and I wouldn't expect this lot in manys top5s I loved watching Pyrites, Fususi and now Shake It Mama strutt their stuff. This is the first colt, all his elders siblings are fillies so will be interesting to see how he goes.
Sydey Premium Sale
Lot 292 Kalypso - Art Major. Again, this would have been in here just for the mare, sire had no bearing. Again, I've loved watching the previous progeny in action and they are actually better performed than the Gold Sarn progeny.
Lot 277 Left for Me - Art Major. I thought I would make it an Art Major clean sweep. Full sister to For A Reason and Lettucereason says it all. Would have to send it to McCarthy though!
I don't really have an Art Major bias, just panned out that way.
Plenty of nice young blood out there.
Hey Breno
Nice picks, did you see lot 277 in the trotguide.
Anything by Bettors Delight! LOL
Don't buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mango
Shepparton sale fillies lot 14,28, 53 and 71
and for the colt's lot no's 43,57
Lot 63 who in my opinion is the outright pick if i were buying one. 67% w/f the first 4 dams not counting anything their fillies have thrown.
Melbourne
Lot 44
Sydney
Lot 274
Lot 293
Lot 310 - this family will throw a champion filly very soon
I will get back to you with my NZ selections as I am down to my final 100 - ;);):p
I liked 293 and 310 as well but crossed them out because of the sire ,i'm not a great fan of him but i think his stock will breed on perhap's.
310 is probably my favourite Greg and would love to see her in the flesh as that is my major selection decision in fact my only one.
Not a fan of Grin Greg????
Came up with a few
lot 120 ,great shoulder
lot 39
lot 277 & lot 181, great family all racing well... Lettucereason, Waldenburg, Steam Washed
lot 300
lot 427
No not particularly, I liked him early on in his career but have since gone off him,just a personal opinion .Quote:
Originally Posted by ARTOFFICIAL
Just had a little look and took a big liking to Lot 333 at the Sydney Sale. http://www.apgold.com.au/tasks/sites.../Lot%20333.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by strong persuader
Thats a good looking colt.
From a kiwi perspective, I find it amazing that there only 6 trotting yearlings in the upcoming round of sales. In the two NZ sales this year there are 67 trotting yearlings catalogued. Must be pretty demoralising if you are breeding trotters in Australia to find yourself sidelined at this years major sales. I am sure someone will enlighten me as to why it is happening
Off to Melbourne for the Premium sale, Hunter Cup and the sunday sale and i would like to wish all the vendors the very best of luck over the wkend.
australasian sale
42 - kazzacan
49 -gotta go artelect
71 - jet black shadow
109 - caribbean blue
New Zealand premier
28 - code cracker
107 - charlotte grace
I hope you are all good judges. I bought Lot 44 at the APG Premium sale. A nice filly.
nice filly. Good luck with her
Hi StuartQuote:
Originally Posted by mo cushla
Very nice family and it was one of my picks but after looking at her and having a couple of people inspect her for me i was advised not to bid . I wish you all the best and i hope she win's many race's for you. I liked the Bettor's filly out of Innocent Eye's and i bidded on her but it just went over my price range.
What was wrong with her mango ?
Lot14: $50,000Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Lot32: $62,500
Lot40: $30,000
A $4,500 increase, or 16% in average prices at the APG Premium, hopefully this trend continues for the breeders throughtout the whole lot of the sales.
Looks nice enough in the photo, but the mare is a 100 yrs old and statistically the chances of getting a good one out of an old mare is significantly reduced. If your buying for her pedigree then that's a different story I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by mango
I thought the Christian Cullen - Muscle Beach Colt was the pick of the boys and Bettors Delight - Innocent Eyes filly the pick of the girls from the photo's on the web.
Hi Mitch,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
Where do such statistics come from?
Cheers
Brenno,Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
I don't a have report for you or anything like that, but I guarantee you if you go and do the research you will see I am proven correct. It is even more prevalent in the thoroughbreds, first 4 foals of a mare is where you get the best result.
I'll see if I can find something on the net to share...
Mitch.
I know many think that (and probably for good reason) but I thought I was finally going to get some hard evidence...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
Hi MitchQuote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
The Innocent Eye's filly wasn't real big but a well put together filly and ticked all the boxes and who ever purchased her should have some fun.
After Sunday there will be no breeders left. What a disaster !
Brenno,Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
May I suggest you look up the dam of any good horse currently racing and have a look at where her best performed son or daughter was produced. If the majority are not in the first 4 foals produced I'll happily admit I was wrong. Lombo Pocket Watch was the 6th or 7th foal outside of that the majority of top performed horses currently racing will prove me correct.
An even simpler exercise may be to go through a catalogue and do the same exercise.
Hope this provides you with the hard evidence you are looking for.
Mitch.
I've selected one of the oldest mares I know.
http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/r...orse_id=345519
Started off O.K but the best two, Her Sparky Self and Robric Jonboy, were when she was an older mare. Even now when she is crazy old the last couple have been every bit as good as the first few if not better.
http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/r...orse_id=333644
HRNZ won't link correctly but Scandalman is the 5th foal, showing you don't have to be early.
Waldenburg is the 6th foal, the best in his family.
The first Aussie home in the Hunter Cup, Heza Buzzin was a late one. So was his brother Sting Lika Bee. Hi Ho Silverheels was 6th, the first 5 done nothing at all.
Your Pocket Watch example got me onto Tailamade Lombo, another later foal. Espeshilimade Lombo was no slouch as then last of many foals from Butterfly Trunkey.
That wasn't all that hard, out of those 6 broodmares I mentioned ^^^ I looked at 11 all up (The others being the mares of Choise Acheiver, Idea Scott, Safe and Sound, Smoken Up and Decorated Jasper) .
I'm not saying older mares are better. But I'm saying don't write them off.
That wasn't even my main point of posting, my main point of posting was don't say you have statistics when you got nothing. Very misleading.
A friend of mine has always told me that statistically the best foal is the 3rd or 4th foal. However, that doesnt mean the mare cant throw other good foals.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Yeah, so many people are of that or similar opinion (and probably for good reason - it probably isn't some wives tale)...but still you can't sprout stats and put something as fact when its mere opinion from past experience. A lot of people do it and I'm not having a go at Mitch - his posting eg Vic Derby heats thread has been good to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by mightymo
But if there are stats out there somewhere would love to see.
I just looked up an excellent broodmare in Nickel Castle.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
She has now had 14 live foals. To date, the 10 th foal was the best, narrowly ahead of 5th and then 12th
Lauricks Pride had 20 foals. Best of them were the 14th and 15th foalsQuote:
Originally Posted by mightymo
Just looked her up myself, great mare.Quote:
Originally Posted by mightymo
As im retired & have time I also looked up some intresting stuff (well to me it is)
I looked up about a dozen millionaires & where they are.
Blakes a Fake 4th foal - his mum 6th foal
Monkey King 8th foal - his mum 13th foal
Smoken Up 1st foal - his mum 10th foal
Changeover 5th .......his mum 8th
Shakamaker 4th........his mum 4th
Our Sir Vancelot 4th.......his mum 8th
Village Kid 4th..........mum 1st
Westburn Grant 3rd......mum 5th
Elsu 7th foal............mum 12th
Flashing Red 5th.......mum 3rd
Holmes D G 7th......his mum 10th
And other very good horses...
Mr Swinger 8th foal
Fleur De Lil 6th
Smooth Satin 5th
Kathryn Dancer 8th
Emmas Only 8th
Slipnslide 6th
Im themightyquinn 6th
Kepple bay 10th (as Harvey said)
Mr Nickle 13th ( as Harvey said)
Stunin Cullen 6th