Is NSW Harness racing better ???

After all the rorting taking place that the investigation is looking at do you blokes think the racing has got better. the reason i ask is i think its getting back to the point form is form and not a ruse.I have given it some thought and will start to invest again on harness racing very soon if the racing keeps on improving.

The only beef i have with HRNSW is the first penalty was not severe enough :confused: all who get caught should be given life and go work in another industry no matter if they only did it once.

The only beef i have with HRNSW is the first penalty was not severe enough :confused: all who get caught should be given life and go work in another industry no matter if they only did it once.[/QUOTE]

Agree with this 100% if they want to cheat go elesewhere, why should we have to put up with the filthy scum that cheat to get the upper hand. Im so over them, how many positives have we had lately?????? It leaves a sour taste & the stewards should get rid of them from this sport. " Once a cheat always a cheat"

One or two run the gate, twice as many ease, they sit, they wait, they fan and sprint a furlong and a half.

That's 9 or every 10 races I watch in NSW but down from 9.25 before the crap hit the fan : )

Ohhhhh nooooooo im not investing just yet still there is too many iffy things happening for my liking

My feeling about NSW Harness racing is that in different regions there are groups of collaborators controlling results at times (just a feeling about a good percentage of races that I have). Tracks in NSW other than Newc and Menangle are not conducive to good racing. Tamworth track is pathetic and Wagga isn't too far behind. Young and Albury also in the same category. Penrith, Dubbo and Canberra are just so-so. Goulburn looks like a good track but most races the result is in the first 2 or 3 around the corner. Most runners are off the bit at the 400 and rarely does anything come from back in the field there.

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Originally Posted by TSW

My feeling about NSW Harness racing is that in different regions there are groups of collaborators controlling results at times (just a feeling about a good percentage of races that I have). Tracks in NSW other than Newc and Menangle are not conducive to good racing. Tamworth track is pathetic and Wagga isn't too far behind. Young and Albury also in the same category. Penrith, Dubbo and Canberra are just so-so. Goulburn looks like a good track but most races the result is in the first 2 or 3 around the corner. Most runners are off the bit at the 400 and rarely does anything come from back in the field there.

Wagga >>>> Canberra

Young<<<<<<<<<<Running around my dining room table.

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Originally Posted by TSW

My feeling about NSW Harness racing is that in different regions there are groups of collaborators controlling results at times (just a feeling about a good percentage of races that I have). Tracks in NSW other than Newc and Menangle are not conducive to good racing. Tamworth track is pathetic and Wagga isn't too far behind. Young and Albury also in the same category. Penrith, Dubbo and Canberra are just so-so. Goulburn looks like a good track but most races the result is in the first 2 or 3 around the corner. Most runners are off the bit at the 400 and rarely does anything come from back in the field there.

Your dead right about the collaboration, team driving is happening at every track. You must be from the Hunter Valley where its rife. Sydneys no better.
The only tracks that you would put a horse around are Menangle or Newcastle, the sooner they either upgrade to 1000mt tracks the better or close down. HRNSW should put a plan in place for the redevelopement of such. Goulburns straight it too short for the sweeping bend at the last turn, nothing can make up ground. Newcastle has a sweeping bend but its the straight caters for this.

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Originally Posted by Gtrain

Young<<<<<<<<<<Running around my dining room table.

Bulli............. its around my hubcap

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Originally Posted by peteboss4

Bulli............. its around my hubcap

Bulli (Linden Huntly), Leeton (Breeders Plate) and Bathurst (Crown) hope and pray nothing gallops on the first turn.

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Originally Posted by aussiebreno

Bulli (Linden Huntly), Leeton (Breeders Plate) and Bathurst (Crown) hope and pray nothing gallops on the first turn.

Yep and isn't that bad you have to hope and pray nothing gallops on these outdated tracks. I personally would never even think of putting a young horse around them.

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Originally Posted by TSW

Goulburn looks like a good track but most races the result is in the first 2 or 3 around the corner. Most runners are off the bit at the 400 and rarely does anything come from back in the field there.

Some of the commentary on this forum astounds me at times; quotes like the above and Peteboss' "Goulburns straight it too short for the sweeping bend at the last turn, nothing can make up ground" are so uninformed to be laughable. I suppose I have a bias given my involvement with Goulburn but really, how do you people come up with so much crap?

Since the re-development of Goulburn we have had 3 race meetings and a total of 23 races. In ten of those races the leader at the top of the staight won the race, however 3 of those 10 were actually last or near enough to last during the run having made moves leading up to the bell. Interestingly, of the 13 remaining winners 11 were in 4th place or further back at the 400m mark, and yes, because of its long sweeping bends drivers aren't holding up, they're not all waiting to go and hence races are genuinely run affairs, thus horses are off the bit at the 400. All you need to do is look at the stewards comments and you'll see that of the 202 runners that went around in these 3 meetings there is the grand total of 10 horses who were held up or had no clear run. What else can you possibly want from a race track? Minimal congestion, truly run affairs and horses battling it out without interference.

Just to add, Luke McCarthy commented publicly at the track and in private that Goulburn is the equal to any 5/8 ths track he has raced on in the world. Not NSW, not Australia, but the world, so please if you want to take a dig at our track come along with some factual information, not spurious ill informed opinions

Regards

Mark

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Originally Posted by Mark Croatto

Some of the commentary on this forum astounds me at times; quotes like the above and Peteboss' "Goulburns straight it too short for the sweeping bend at the last turn, nothing can make up ground" are so uninformed to be laughable. I suppose I have a bias given my involvement with Goulburn but really, how do you people come up with so much crap?

Since the re-development of Goulburn we have had 3 race meetings and a total of 23 races. In ten of those races the leader at the top of the staight won the race, however 3 of those 10 were actually last or near enough to last during the run having made moves leading up to the bell. Interestingly, of the 13 remaining winners 11 were in 4th place or further back at the 400m mark, and yes, because of its long sweeping bends drivers aren't holding up, they're not all waiting to go and hence races are genuinely run affairs, thus horses are off the bit at the 400. All you need to do is look at the stewards comments and you'll see that of the 202 runners that went around in these 3 meetings there is the grand total of 10 horses who were held up or had no clear run. What else can you possibly want from a race track? Minimal congestion, truly run affairs and horses battling it out without interference.

Just to add, Luke McCarthy commented publicly at the track and in private that Goulburn is the equal to any 5/8 ths track he has raced on in the world. Not NSW, not Australia, but the world, so please if you want to take a dig at our track come along with some factual information, not spurious ill informed opinions

Regards

Mark

No problem Mark, must admit that i have only watched Goulburn once & that was on your cup day & only watched races 1,2, 3(well that was Lukes with that horse, didn't matter where it was in the run) & race 7. 1,2 & 7 were leader or behind leader i think & any thing out wide was not making up ground, so i may have got some of it wrong.

Mark,
Let me elaborate on my comment about nothing coming from the tail. I meant in the last 400 or even 600. Nothing seems to swoop home like they do on other tracks. Making a mid race move from the tail is always advantageous at Goulburn for the reasons I stated earlier.

The question "Is NSW Harness Racing better???
Just look at the Sydney sales just gone. Very poor. Why is this so with all this new prizemoney around? We race for $22000 on Saturday at Menangle then go to Bankstown on Monday for $3000. Drivers get $100 a drive on Saturdays 1st to 10th, Trainers6th to 10th get get nothing and owners 6th to 10th have to pay the driver. Not picking on Drivers ( except when they dont meet their KPIs ) Overuse of concessions particulaarly in MO races, poor programming, extended nominations ad infinitum, Country Cups plundered by Group Horses, Mares based State Bred schemes that allow Vicbred to compete, Lobby groups with too much influence, and thats without getting into the current illegal behaviour of some trainers , drivers and officials. I hear you Jaimie, I know you dont agree with certain issues but you are in part of the industry that is over represented in the decision making process