Putting the service fee difference aside who would you be most likely to send a mare to and why.
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Putting the service fee difference aside who would you be most likely to send a mare to and why.
Hi Mango,
Our younger broodmares to RRHanover, proven sire, he will be popular for years to come with the type of mares he has breed..........Fingers crossed
Young broodmares should have the best you can afford.
Mares that have produced winners to RRHeaven, I would be willing to breed to him in his first season at stud and then wait until his 4th season. aha that is in the one hemisphere:)
Unproven sire technique.
Price aside Heaven more versatile faster and a better race horse than his dad . I got turned away with 2 of my three to send to him here in America.In my opinion he is going to be a great sire . I heard he got most of the top mares here. Maybe J Bellino can tell more about what mares went to him.
i think price is the biggest factor, even if the dad is better is it 13-4k better?
Buster don't get me wrong I couldn't send 3 mares to RnR Hanover at 25g a piece. Then on top not be sure how Jersey is. I wanted to get in on Heaven now before he goes up to 20-25. The question was fee difference aside . I thought Heaven was cheap at 12g.
Next year I reckon both will be standing in the flesh in AustQuote:
Originally Posted by buster
Heaven - $9000 + GST
Hanover 12000/13000 + GST
does that change opinions?
Is Hanover standing now for $15,000 in the US or is that a type o error?
RnR Hanover is 25g. I think just my opinion 18 20 down under.But if mightymo is right Heaven is still my choice he did things this year I never saw a horse do The Jug & Breeders Crown.
Hi Mightymo
Your correct, whats your opinion on both horses who would you go to and why.
Nat
Rocknroll Hanover is standing for $25,000 US
Look on this link
http://stars.ustrotting.com/stallion.cfm?stallion_id=62
i think 9 is a bit dear for a first year stallion despite any hype, rather the 12k for his father
(but if these 2 do come down under they should push the service fee of bettors delight mach three art major down as you've pretty much doubled the amount of good quality stallions available)
If RnR Hanover ends up down here next season, my Artsplace mare might be retiring earlier than we'd anticipated ...
RnR Hanover over Artsplace mare's 75 foals for 46 winners.
isnt artsplace now considered the star broodmare sire?
i think theres a few more wins in your mare yet
Hi Mightymo,Quote:
Next year I reckon both will be standing in the flesh in Aust
Heaven - $9000 + GST
Hanover 12000/13000 + GST
does that change opinions?
Breed to both at these prices, No gst. I am open to the possibility of having to race/lease the offspring if good returns do not come my way.
I don't think he will ever leave the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenScadden
The USTA doesn't do a good job with keeping the stallion site up to date.Quote:
Originally Posted by nat
trotpace you are correct bad job on the USTA. RNR Hanover 25 g. Thanks trotpace.
http://perretti.com/cms/
Still have the 2010 price up!
You would think at this time of the year everyone would have their stud prices updated...
Yeah my friend went to him this year with his mare and it is 25g.
Hey Trotpace
There's more than a good chance that he will be in Australia for the breeding season which starts in october.
I'll believe it when i see it.
Hi Trotpace
Fair enough, now putting service fee difference aside who would you send a mare to and why.
Its a hard call who I would breed to. I think Rocknroll Hanover is a much better looking horse and has a better marketing appeal.
But i really like that Rocknroll Heavan has ARTSPLACE blood in him.
G'day Mango,
Ok, I'll throw a Cat into the Pigeon Loft and state that I think Rock N Roll Heaven was a better racehorse than his sire was.
I say this because I didn't much care for the way Rocknroll Hanover raced with an 'on track assistance crew' made up of Village Jolt & Cam's Fool.
For me it raised a great many comparisons and so, some rather unpleasant memories of Lou Guida, of Nihilator and of 'The Entry'. (cue dramatic sting music http://www.soundsnap.com/node/93939 indicating dastardly deeds are afoot).
On the other hand, at least the way I see it, Rock N Roll Heaven went out and did it all on his own and I admired that very much.
His seemingly effortless back to back 49's to take The Jug will live with me for quite some time.
Rocknroll Hanover produces a winner in the 3yr old fillies race today at Ashbuton.
Nice one. Jack will be pleased. Let me guess...bred by Uncle Bob?
Correct weight on that Triplev
Great Thread this one. I think both of them are outstanding and well worth sending mares to.
Stud fee is all important as to which you would be selecting for your mare.
For me in Australia chilled semen or frozen is an important issue.
Heaven on the slightly smaller size.( What size is Hanover ?? guessing taller )
Hanover has a great pedigree. Heaven with Artsplace and good dam equally good.
Hanover faster at two. Heaven faster at three.
Hanover proven. Heaven Unproven.
Hanover slightly higher earning per start. Heaven not far behind.
Hardly a split match between them so stud fee and chilled or frozen semen a major factor.
I think heaven was a slighly better racehorse especially with his sub 1.50 times. As most buyers seem to want larger foals Hanover being taller evens the scales again.
Mightymo
Heaven - $9000 + GST
Hanover 12000/13000 + GST
does that change opinions?
How I wish this was going to happen. Willing to bet a dollar or two with mightymo that this is not going to happen.
Bye
Hi Love Of Courage
If mightymo doesn't take your bet i will. And if they do come would you be sending hte 3 mare's who's progeny you had in the Brisbane a.p.g sale.
What do people think if these 2 sire's land here this year will horses like Mach 3 and Christian Cullen have to come down in price to stay competitive. And has anyone else heard C-C might be on the move.
i think all stallions should be pushed down 1-2k, the HP future isnt going to exactly be inflationary on the breeding industry for a few years yet
Hi Buster
I think 1-2k would be good and i also think C-C and M3 might have to drop 4-5 if they are to get numbers.
Hello Mango,
Okay I'll take you up on the bet, tell me what you are willing to bet. Just to make sure you cannot wriggle out under a technicality( Just poking fun ), I see 3 points of contention.
Mightymo comment :
Next year I reckon both will be standing in the flesh in Aust
Heaven - $9000 + GST
Hanover 12000/13000 + GST
does that change opinions?
Both in the flesh in Australia ( Heaven Yes - Hanover cant see it ) Neveler stud you would think they would want him in NZ.
Service fees $ 9000 + gst Heaven plausible maybe a little high.
Hanover $ 12,000 - $ 13,000 unlikely huge drop from AU $ 22,500 + gst for frozen semen.
Difference of only $3 - 4 K between the two. Cant see it being this close. Would image for the extra 3 - 4 k Hanover would get the most mares.
I will not sell yearlings in Brisbane again. Have been informed by several high profile buyers ( Respected Opinions ) that frequently buy numerous yearlings and pay up to $ 150,000 that I would have got better prices interstate.
Will consider 2 of the 3 mares. Have 2 others that I like that I would consider. I do not expect to make a fotune from the sales, however would at least like the service fee plus a little extra to cover costs. It helps by using very good stallions as the chances of a better racehorse is increased.
Hi Love Of Courage
I'd love to bet you but i couldn't take your money lol. If he does come out Mightymo is on the mark with he's service fee and i also heard that from the person who will be standing him, he will be standing in Victoria and Nevele r stud will be somehow involved so i hear.
Hello Mango,
Buck Buck Buck Chicken (lol )
If you want it does not need to be a big bet just a poultry sum will do (Paltry) bad chicken joke.Groan !
$100
i read it was warwick stud getting rock n roll
Go to harnesslinks home page click on Archive and then click on the 14th feb, scroll down untill you find a heading Perretti Farms (Rags to Riches) and all the way down the bottom you will find it.
going on the US fees i think he will stand for 8800