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Love or Hate Tritton/Panella.
I thought Arghal based on going 5 seconds faster than the other heats, Arghal looked an absolute moral on Saturday night.
There is no doubt D Elder smashed the horse and well deserved his 21 days. However, 2 laps out anyone that tells me the horse was laying in, is in denial.
Its called pull out 3 wide not 2 and a half wide before you try and progress forward.
Panella should have got 21 as well.
I hear the crowd were ecstacic on Saturady night for Paul Sapio
Well there's a surprise Jack, your last post has bitten the dust (again)...I am just wondering if you are related to Norman who gives John Laws an earful from time to time, because he is one angry bloke too.
This isn't the first time we have heard about the angst surrounding the Tritton/Panella partnership...but the agro DOES seem to be getting beyond the pale. Is it simply a case of jealousy as they continually succeed in a tough industry? I don't know, but something really needs to be done by someone in authority to nip this crap in the bud.
Jack, Go back through the replays from Maitland the other night and you will see a lot of interference in most of the races, Can you explain why???? Maybe with the evolution of the standard bred speed wise, Maitlands track might be a little tight for most of the horses. The race that you mentioned is not a lot different to most of the races I watched from there the other night. You've definitely taken your eye off the ball and seem to be singling Tritton/Panella out at every opportunity and it's becoming quite boring.
They had 5 of the 6 runners in the Open event. IMO the race should have been scrapped - it just can't be good for the sport as it spells potential trouble if they do not finish in the order they should
Sure it's a tight track, but common, she's on a 10s on pop. I'm the first to admit I talk thru my kick, but even still, Sat nights drive was totally unacceptable (early gallop/check aside). Your on the best animal by a hundred yards.....your job.....stay out of trouble!! The perfect example of a similar situation was Alford driving the fav in the trotters cup at Horsham on Sunday. He went away terrible, but kept him balanced, stayed out of trouble and the rest took care of itself. Horses run for Panella....no doubt, and I love having my hard earned on when she's rolling out in front but it will be a long time before I'm betting her charges again from the second line. Will stick with Mach Beauty, Brave Wiggy and the like.
On another note, loved the run of Sauve Stuey Lombo behind the stablemate on the same night. Reverse the runs in transit and he wins by as far/further. Good to see him back in fine fettle after a disappointing trip across the ditch.
Richard, I was at Maitland last Saturday night. I don't necessarily think that it is the horses that can't handle the track, more so that some of the drivers did not really adapt to the track. In most races there was a mad scramble to the first corner and horses that draw inside will generally kick up more than they would on the bigger track and some of the horses were driven into the corner more than they usually would and as a result some errors were made.
I do tend to agree that the locked wheel incident appeared to be somewhat careless and was probably the difference between winning and losing.
It was a great night with a good crowd it is a bit of a shame that the media coverage in the aftermath has been negative, I was in the stabling area after the race and I did not even realise that there was a drama.
It's great for the sport seeing the horses going around on the smaller tracks and as you pointed out Adam, It would definitely come down to the drivers skills. A lot of the younger brigade of drivers are more than likely inexperienced on this type of track. The horses are clearly getting faster but it all comes down to the individual driving skills to negotiate a track like Maitland. It looked a pretty good night up there and it's a pity that the media has become involved.
Richard, there is no doubt that the small tracks like Maitland are a great spectacle. I was critical of the services offered at a meeting a couple of months ago, but the Maitland club should be appluaded for way that the night was organised.
I really love the Carnival of Cups concept. Sure the smaller tracks may not suit all horses but there are plenty of owners who have horses that go just as fast on maitland as they would at Menangle so why should they not get a chance. The one change that I would make is to have 1 or 2 good prizemoney races for locals only. The Fishers Ghost meeting, that I really like has a Menangle track fees race and I think the Cof C should have a similiar race/s.
Are you for real can you please direct me to the last driver anywhere in Australia who got 21 days for locking wheels when trying to progress forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pena
Sure it was unlucky no doubt but if we give every driver 21 days when they are unlucky we will have fields of 5 in every race because everyone else will be on holiday.
If you don't want any interference or bad luck in races when you have a bet its simple start betting on athletics but make sure it is only in races of 400m or shorter after that they move from their lanes.
Went to Yonkers in 2009 and thoroughly enjoyed every minute watching the horses going around on the 1/2 mile(800m) track. The place is a bit run down but food and drinks are close by and the locals are great people. The number of expat horses racing there is amazing and even won a few bucks on Non Commital and a lot on Macraider(NZ).
What you say about the CO, Adam is not a 100% true. The C0 was only open to horses that had not won a lifetime race or had not won in there last 5 starts. I know of at least 2 horses that were nomed for the C0 but were not eligible for the Menangle heat, that have won recent restricted races at Tamworth. I thought the conditions of this race were ridiculous to be honest, why not just an open C0 or only horses that had not won a LTM.
I did not realise that Temora had done this but I hope all the other country clubs follow suit and support their local participants.
As for your suggestion that Newcastle horses have only been winning at Menangle (Harold Park) in the last 15 months, I reckon there has been at least 20 trainers that have had winners there in the last 10 years and to me this comes across as a bit disrespectful. Shane Tritton may have more runners on a week by week basis at Menangle but ever since I have gone to Harold Park there has always been a high level of participation and winners provided by Newcastle trainers.
Adam, why you are at it and from your link I looked at the fast class at Temora. The whole conditions of Juniour Driver and Mare concessions drive me crazy.
I own 3 mares and the scattergun approach on what races get a concession seems to be very random. Is there any reason why there cannot be some consistency?
When you see Rocket Reject a M3 gets into a race no better than a M2 worth $12k I get very confused.
The country Menangle heats generally have no concession and I have spoken previously to the race department and informed them of the future concessions in the program and subsequently they were subsequently overturned.
Genuwine 29 Jan 2010 from a quick scattered look of 3 meetings.
Some very interesting names getting around back then that hopefully we never see again.
Come on Adam trying to differentiate between Menangle and Harold Park is being a little mischievous. HP was not that long ago and the fields would be the envy of the current fields at Menangle. They used to actually ballot horses out 5 years ago. Choosing a field of 7 over a field of 6 with 5 trained by one trainer. I cannot believe any punter would think this is a better proposition.. I was at the meeting and stayed to watch the FFA but the majority of the crowd empitied out. The 8th race and the Menangle horses hardly kept the crowd there.
fair go to Adam Fairley he was only talking about Menangle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boydy
Come on Brenno. One day HP next week Menangle. They are atill building at HP the body is still warm. We are not talking about The Showgrounds.
Adams original comment: "It wasn't that long ago that no Hunter horses had won a Metro race at Menangle"
Just Menangle, no mention of HP.
Just had a look at the first few meetings after the transfer. A lot of the winning trainers seem to be not training anymore or having had a holiday!! Russo, Thorn must be a Newcastle thing. I remember Rodney Pike having plenty of winners at Menangle as well as everywhere else in the Newcastle area.
Yep, scary ready some of the winning trainers names, a hell of a lot since had positive swabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boydy
Who knows what we will be saying in another 2 years!!
Sheesh Adam, I hope my body isn't still warm after 3 years....lol.... Last Meeting At HP 17/12/10 for memory.....
Smaller tracks, locking wheels. Have wondered how the horses, and possibly to some extent the drivers, adapt with the seemingly wider American/speed carts on the tighter tracks. Going from larger radius turns where the horses hardly know they're travelling around the bend to smaller tracks where the horse may not be as responsive to the driver's correction.
Good points by Adam F and Wayne, probably a combination of the tighter track and the larger USA gigs.