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    With no reply again
    Does anybody know what research Gemba produced this year
    Or is this just spin from the acting CEO
    Maybe some of our posters who talk to the CEO can get her to reply to her email

    https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/art...urful-new-era/

    posting link to article again to see if it opens (previous link is not although if you go back through https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/ you will find it on Sept 29)
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    R6 on a beautiful day at Horsham and there is not 20 non stable people here watching
    I know I am lucky to have the freedom to be here and there is plenty going on at this time of the year, including in the harness world, but if we can’t attract more than 20 are we kidding ourselves
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    We have to create an image that cannot be doubted if we are going to pull ourselves out of the hole we are in - last of the 3 codes
    Integrity not only has to be upheld it has to be seen to be upheld
    We almost need to see Stewards making stable inspections
    We have to know that there is stable storage of blood tests and retesting done whenever there are advances in testing

    We cannot have PP claiming "It's just an extravaganza of cheating and celebration of weird science" or anybody else

    He is making these claims with no proof - just basing it on the unlikely probability that one trainer cannot dominate like the Stewart stable has in the Inter
    The fact is that with dominating the juvenile ranks for the last decade you would have expected them to do it at the Grand Circuit level before now
    They are still yet to win an Inter so the accusations based purely on superior record seem unfair
    The McCarthy dominated the 2021 Inter in exactly the same way with 7 heat wins but didn't actually get the first prize

    If Clayton Tonkin had not been suspended over the Blue Magic saga, IMO there would hardly be anyone doubting the stable
    Is there a time to move on and trust the authorities?
    I think this is part of the problem I opened with. Over recent years we have seen at least a couple of 'headline charges' contested and contested and years later dropped
    We need clear cut proof of innocence or guilt to improve our image

    If anything was to create doubts about the existence of clean racing it would probably be the horse that knocked off the McCarthys last year
    He has done nothing since
    But once again there is no proof
    Maybe if he had remained with Grimson he would have eventually found form again - maybe Grimson is a superior trainer to the Duffys and Stanley for this particular horse
    Maybe he was just a meteor, a one season wonder.
    Over the years there are AFL players that have incredible single seasons and even win the Brownlow medal but never come close to repeating the stellar season. We don't question how they did it

    I want Harness Racing to be respected
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    We have to create an image that cannot be doubted if we are going to pull ourselves out of the hole we are in - last of the 3 codes
    Integrity not only has to be upheld it has to be seen to be upheld
    We almost need to see Stewards making stable inspections
    We have to know that there is stable storage of blood tests and retesting done whenever there are advances in testing

    We cannot have PP claiming "It's just an extravaganza of cheating and celebration of weird science" or anybody else

    He is making these claims with no proof - just basing it on the unlikely probability that one trainer cannot dominate like the Stewart stable has in the Inter
    The fact is that with dominating the juvenile ranks for the last decade you would have expected them to do it at the Grand Circuit level before now
    They are still yet to win an Inter so the accusations based purely on superior record seem unfair
    The McCarthy dominated the 2021 Inter in exactly the same way with 7 heat wins but didn't actually get the first prize

    If Clayton Tonkin had not been suspended over the Blue Magic saga, IMO there would hardly be anyone doubting the stable
    Is there a time to move on and trust the authorities?
    I think this is part of the problem I opened with. Over recent years we have seen at least a couple of 'headline charges' contested and contested and years later dropped
    We need clear cut proof of innocence or guilt to improve our image

    If anything was to create doubts about the existence of clean racing it would probably be the horse that knocked off the McCarthys last year
    He has done nothing since
    But once again there is no proof
    Maybe if he had remained with Grimson he would have eventually found form again - maybe Grimson is a superior trainer to the Duffys and Stanley for this particular horse
    Maybe he was just a meteor, a one season wonder.
    Over the years there are AFL players that have incredible single seasons and even win the Brownlow medal but never come close to repeating the stellar season. We don't question how they did it

    I want Harness Racing to be respected
    Nah he's been on the ball lately. Just see these tips. https://peterprofit.com/trot-tips-9/

    We would have got an update by now if that was Bonnos tips

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    He actually did an update saying his tips went crap but that is an aside
    He will undoubtedly continue to point out racing's shortcomings as that is his mission statement
    But let's make unsupported accusations look silly by being and showing that we are the best code going around
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    Ah I see. He had filed original tips in 'The Trots' section but not the results.

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    Here is perfect example of what is wrong with the industry...https://www.harness.org.au/media-roo...?news_id=59246

    where you can read the following passages
    "Moran, who drives favourite Honolua Bay in the final, is coming off a year he’d love to throw in the bin.
    Wind the clock back 12 months when he snared the late pick-up drive on Expensive Ego and won the Sydney Inter Dominion final for 26 minutes … only to lose it on protest in the stewards’ room.
    He’s still dirty on the decision which robbed him of his first win in the sport’s biggest race.
    Moran then spent seven months sidelined by suspension before returning just to have his stable superstar, Lochinvar Art, have a “bleed” in a race at Melton and be sent to North American to continue his career. The $1.4 million-earner had put him on the map.
    What kept a smile on his face all the way through was the thought of driving champion mare Ladies In Red
    ."

    I have never spoken to Mr Moran (Irony of the name with respect to Melbourne corruption didn't pass me without notice either) but someone who tips his ex partner out of the cart deliberately resulting in two horses going on the run, illegally bets on a race and gets given a holiday is not a knockabout good bloke we should be feeling sorry for. His time out was his doing, his record is a blemish on the industry. He is not a beacon of all the good things as portrayed in the article. The absolute irony is that the article was published on the same day as the publication of the VCAT ruling which can be found here.... https://integrity.thetrots.com.au/ne...g-david-moran/

    where it states the following,

    "On 6 December 2022, the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) heard an application for review filed by Harness Racing Victoria (HRV) regarding the penalty decision of the Victorian Racing Tribunal (VRT) dated 18 February 2022, concerning licensed trainer-driver David Moran. This VCAT review was in relation to the penalties imposed by the VRT on Charges 1 and 4 only.
    Background
    At the VRT hearing on 7 February 2022, Mr Moran pleaded guilty to Charge 1 issued under Australian Harness Racing Rule (AHRR) 231(1)(f) for approaching licensed trainer-driver Laura Crossland on 14 November 2019, who was seated in a sulky driving a horse, whilst leading two other horses. Mr Moran took hold of the sulky and raised it, causing Ms Crossland to fall from the sulky onto the ground and lose control of the horses. The VRT imposed a 6-month suspension, 2 months of which were suspended for a period of 24 months.
    Mr Moran also pleaded guilty to Charge 4 issued under AHRR 173(1) for placing a win bet on ‘Ellmers Hoofing It NZ’ prior to race 7 at the Echuca harness racing meeting on 12 December 2019, when Mr Moran participated in the race as the driver of another horse, ‘Scotlynn Beach NZ.’ The VRT imposed a 6-month suspension, 3 months of which were suspended for a period of 24 months.
    The full VRT decision can be found here.
    VCAT
    In the VCAT decision on 6 December 2022, Senior Member Wentworth varied the penalties issued by the VRT and ordered that the following penalties be imposed in substitution:
    Charge 1 – 12-month suspension, 8 months of which are suspended for a period of 24 months, pending no further breach of the relevant rule.
    Charge 4 – 9-month suspension, 6 months of which are suspended for a period of 24 months, pending no further breach of the relevant rule.
    The total immediate period of suspension of 7 months were ordered to commence 18 February 2022 and have already been served by Mr Moran. The VCAT Orders can be viewed here.


    Seriously, is this the best person the Harness Racing industry paid "media" can come up with for a feature article? And to refer to his suspension/disqualifications as bad luck and that he is due for good Karma...What the hell?!
    Write an article about the strapper, an unheralded participant, or anyone else really. It would be much more interesting than reading about an aggressive angry man that illegally bets on races he is a participant in.
    The industry needs to take a deep look in the mirror if this is the best they can put forward.

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    You're not wrong Old Fox.
    As we have said before they are in now way independent and as much as we need them to spruik our code, they need to be selective AND be critical when that is what is required. The reason Archie/Peter Profit exists is because he fills a gap created by our media not investigating anything negative.
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    I read this line in a harnesslink article

    All told, his progeny has earned $1.74million – an excellent total from only four racing crops.

    We can't compete when this is considered excellent.
    Gallops owners can dream of winning this much with their horse in one race (and yes it is 99.99% dream but some do achieve it)
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    I have been pretty slack this year and had not even read the FY22 Annual Report of HRV that came out in October
    An email from an astute reader prompted me to read it

    https://www.thetrots.com.au/about-hrv/annual-reports/

    FY23 is going to be an interesting one as they will no longer have the covid excuse to fall back on.

    Dale Monteith said:

    We were mindful of the risks of merely maintaining an unacceptable status quo approach to the years ahead. To not prioritise growth would be to consign the industry to decline. While achieving growth across the industry is challenging, the alternative is not a viable option if our industry is to achieve long-term financial sustainability

    While understanding this strategy, spending more such as $6m in expenses can only continue for a limited time if it does not translate to increased revenue
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