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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Breeding horses requires HEAPS of patience.
    Reading the article about the Ronans

    https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/art...-the-sunshine/

    I looked up Yes Mate who, as mentioned in the article, is making his debut in R1 at Echuca tonight
    He is the only foal of one of their mares who has been served by some commercial sires but who was it that got the positive - the home breeder Daroobalgie.
    Daroobalgie had a good record but as a Nuke Of Earl son out of Mistress Monique, an Apollo Eleven mare, there was no miracle and he is a very modest sire
    If you have never heard of Apollo Eleven, that might be because Mistress Monique ($83k) was his only progeny to pay her way

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...20#ECC27082004
    Apollo Eleven was a very good Simpson-bred horse trained by Kevin Newman in the early 70s. Golden Adios - Minnesota from memory, stood at lower profile studs. Did leave 34 winners Kev, if you look deeper. His dam, foaled nearly 70 years ago, followed him to Sydney in the early 50s and was a very good producer. Royal State was a Showgrounds regular for Alf Simons when I was a kid, Apollo Eleven won 50 grand when that would have built you a luxury home, his sister Admin was a good Sydney trotter, Karamea Minna was a top filly and producer, Miner Karamea was handy in WA. I had an early association with Minnesota Express, her last foal dropped when she was 23. He was very fast but used to favour his knee. The small tracks back then didn't suit him, he would be a good horse today.

    I know the fastest he ever went was 85 MPH. That was in a single float behind a Phase II Falcon GT on the Loddon Valley Highway, running a little late to get to Nyah for his first win. That was 44 years ago this month, l love how the old names keep popping up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adaptor View Post
    Huntsville stands at Cameo Hills Stud, Montgomery NY for US$ 6,000

    http://www.cameohills.com


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    Yonkers, NY — While numbers can often be manipulated to support almost any opinion, in the case of stallion Huntsville and his progeny, it’s impossible to see anything but success with his first crop. As sire of seven of the 16 rookie pacers set to compete on Friday (Sept. 10) in the $1.6 million New York Night of Champions at MGM Yonkers Raceway, Huntsville has arrived in a big way.

    Led by multiple-leg New York Sire Stakes winners Stretch The Line, Pickup Man Hanover and Just Divine, Huntsville, who stands at Cameo Hills Farm in New York, has an opportunity to capture both $200,000 finals for 2-year-old pacers.

    Huntsville hasn’t just been in a “New York State of Mind” in 2021. His foals sit third in total earnings and fourth in average earnings per start by 2-year-old pacers nationally. His Caviart Camden recently became the fastest freshman pacing colt in history when stopping the timer at The Red Mile in 1:48.3.

    Race four on Friday is the third of eight $200,000 finals for 2- and 3-year-olds of both gaits and sexes. It features freshman colt and gelding pacers travelling one mile to determine the Empire State champion. Four sons of Huntsville will line up behind the gate in a field of eight, and they are arguably led by the aforementioned Stretch The Line in terms of talent.


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    Our Cavort (Cavort NZ) had one 2yo start in NZ before starting her Oz career with a win for the Sugars on debut at Ballarat
    I bet they wish they kept her.
    Not so much for her other 14 wins (all but one in SA)
    Our Cavort is the dam of Encipher
    Her SA trainer Tyson Linke somehow ended up as her owner for the last of those wins - her last start
    He is the breeder and sole owner of Encipher and the sole recipient of the majority of the $300k 2yo fillies Breeders Crown
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    Final Bow who won R1 at Geelong tonight is an example of some extreme inbreeding
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    If you have big bucks to spend at the yearling sales and can wait a couple of years, here is an alternative for you
    Buy the dam of Princess Tiffany in foal to a full sibling

    https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/...re-investment/
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    If you have big bucks to spend at the yearling sales and can wait a couple of years, here is an alternative for you
    Buy the dam of Princess Tiffany in foal to a full sibling

    https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/...re-investment/
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    After the King's win tonight in this his last season of racing before going to stud, they suggested that as a son of Rocknroll Hanover he will be in demand and could even go to the US
    It would be 1000/1 as Rocknroll Hanover's best siring sons - Rock N Roll Heaven, Pet Rock and Rockin Image are not even featured stallions on the USTA's stallion showcase
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    Maybe the 3yo season of Betting Line's first crop will be the making of him as a sire downunder?
    First starter at Shep tonight Our Lola Mae could not be more impressive winning by 30m untouched in 1.55.4, that is only 2.9 secs off the Tk Rec
    Whether it is the Betting Line blood or the mare we may never know - Lola is a half sis to Milly Perez

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...22#SPC08022206
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    Super Moderator Stallion Messenger will become famous soon enough Messenger's Avatar
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    Wanting to clarify something here

    'No Return' for a mare means that the breeder did not file a return and so we do no know if the mare - missed, slipped, foal died, or a foal was born but they have no intention of registering it

    I am asking this as a question

    After another impressive win by Vacation Hill tonight I thought I would look up her dam to see if she has produced anything else of note and I see several years of No Return between Vacation Hill in 2016 and an Unregistered (as yet) colt in 2021

    Is there a reason a breeder would not supply a return for the stud book or have I got this completely wrong

    https://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gws/ws/r/...rSite&Arg=TRUE
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    In NZ its not registered until its named

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