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    Hi Lorraine, what do you make of all the No Returns
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Wanting to clarify something here

    'No Return' for a mare means that the breeder did not file a return and so we do no know if the mare - missed, slipped, foal died, or a foal was born but they have no intention of registering it

    After another impressive win by Vacation Hill tonight I thought I would look up her dam to see if she has produced anything else of note and I see several years of No Return between Vacation Hill in 2016 and an Unregistered (as yet) colt in 2021

    Is there a reason a breeder would not supply a return for the stud book or have I got this completely wrong

    https://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gws/ws/r/...rSite&Arg=TRUE
    I thought no return meant they tried to get the mare in foal and it didn't

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    We need to find out Katie. I used to think that too but then thought that would have to be 'Missed'
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    John French, Registrations Officer HRNZ, very kindly promptly replied to my email and it is as I thought - NO RETURN means they haven’t been notified of the result of a service.

    It would seem to me that examples such as that in post 21 could not happen in the Australian Thoroughbred Stud Book due to the following rule:

    4.15 The Australian Stud Book cannot accept a Mare Return for a broodmare which has a missing return for the previous season and which has not been out of Australia during that period.
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    Shartin N has filly by Captaintreacherous
    What can be assumed to be the best-bred pacing filly in the world was foaled on Sunday (Feb. 13) when world champion and Harness Horse of the Year Shartin N gave birth to a filly sired by world champion and Pacer of the Year Captaintreacherous.

    http://ustrottingnews.com/shartin-n-...intreacherous/

    Exciting but Best Bred?
    If you take out Shartin ($2.5m) I am not sure Tintin In America has sired another winner of $200k (not one on ClassicFamilies at least)
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    Derby winner Leap To Fame sure does look the goods. He may be the one that convinces me that Bettors x Art Major mare is a good cross. I know it has produced Tall Dark Stranger and Max Delight but a couple more would be good. Art Major x Bettors mare could also do with a few more as at present Our Princess Tiffany is the only real standout
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    This article on Sepia Sands does not tally with the attached ClassicFamilies snip

    https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/art...-in-australia/

    0 Offspring means 0 Classic winners
    His own record does not scream Sire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    What happened to Huntsville US who served 205 mares for 130 foals for Empire Stallions in 2018-19?
    He is Back

    https://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/studs/COBBITTY.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Only frozen available. Booked my little mare into him

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    I noticed that after serving on average 150 mares for each of his first 3 seasons Captaintreacherous's book has halved for the last 3 seasons - ??? - Price or people steering clear of the hit or miss nature of Frozen semen
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