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    It will be interesting to see how well they enforce the 'flicking action'
    I reckon the R7 at Bendigo tonight is an interesting example
    IMO Michael Stanley on the winner might look like he is complying but it is more force than flicking

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...20#BNC22082004
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    Here is the written form of the new Whip rules for Vic

    http://www.harness.org.au/media-room...?news_id=44780

    (b) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (a), “wrist only flicking motion” means:-

    (i) Ensuring no force is generated by the use of the elbow or shoulder when applying the whip.

    (ii) The forearm is not raised beyond forty-five degrees relative to the racing surface.

    (iii) Not applying the whip with overt force.


    For the next 2 months the penalties are as follows

    Minimum Penalty Guidelines 1 September 2020 – 31 October 2020

    Rule 156(2)

    1st Offence: Caution*

    2nd Offence: Minimum $200 fine

    3rd Offence: Minimum $400 fine

    4th Offence: Minimum 2 Week Suspension of licence to drive in races

    Rule 156(3)

    Please note that in accordance with the provisions of Rule 156(3) when using the whip in an unapproved manner, HRV Stewards will continue to police this rule when drivers utilise the whip on more than 20 occasions in the final 200m, which will be considered to be using the whip excessively and or too continuously.

    1st Offence: Caution*

    2nd Offence: Minimum $100 fine

    3rd Offence: Minimum $200 fine

    4th Offence: Minimum 7 Day Suspension of licence to drive in races


    Not too tough while they are 'learning'
    The test will come down the track when a driver completely forgets all the above in a big race and wins by the narrowest of margins
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    Well we have had 2 days / 2 meets with the new rule and so far 12 cautions
    A few of these seemed to have absolutely no idea about it being wrist NOT arm and shoulder
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    Kerryn just holds them off in the main trot of the night at Shep thanks to totally ignoring the new whip rule

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...20#SPC05092006
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Kerryn just holds them off in the main trot of the night at Shep thanks to totally ignoring the new whip rule

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...20#SPC05092006
    she only got a warning , i copped 2 fines in row $200 and $400 despite no infractions in 9 years and one warning 6 years ago , different rules between nsw and vic , the first fine i accept as i did cross the reins and was did deserve it , the $400 was over the top i feel for the next one as i used a little bit of shoulder

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    Yes, in this learning period you will see in post 142 that a caution is all for first offence (from Sep1 onwards)
    I hope we will get to the stage where you can lose a race on protest for totally ignoring the rules like she did
    When the margin is only a head the owners of the 2nd horse have the right to be peeved - especially if it was a big race

    If they got that serious about enforcing it you would find that it stopped overnight (or else drivers who just didn't get it, would stop getting big drives)
    I remember when Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy had his players hold onto the opposition player who had just taken a mark or got a free kick (just long enough to slow them down/stop them from playing on)
    The AFL decided they had to bring in the 50m penalty to curb it and in the blink of an eye his players stopped doing it
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    WAKE UP KERRYN she was no better on the 2nd placegetter in R8
    She is using sidearm in a continuous manner not a wrist action
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    Kerryn won R7 today in a tight finish and she did not offend
    She had the whip in her left hand

    http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fie...20#SWC06092002

    ps How big a run was it by the 2nd horse Delwyns Son
    pps Delwyns Son's last 2 wins have been when the trainer has not driven him
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    New Zealand is to join the club from October 1. We will have to adjust to the Australian way AGAIN. For the life of me surely it is easier to count to 10 from the 400 metres to the winning post. That is what we used to have., Very simple. Easy to see. Easy to count. From October 1 it's all about the wrist action. Going from a new entrant counting 1 - 10 to a physician knowing the ins and outs of wrists and arms in one overnighter.!!!

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    I don't care about the count Tony, they can wrist flick as many times as they like (although not continuous as that is a bad look) because it is about being seen to not be hurting the horse
    We have to be horse lovers. Dog lovers do not hit their dogs with a stick
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