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    Quote Originally Posted by mango View Post
    Hey Triple

    Don't get me started on sectionals again, it is a bulls**t rule.
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    Sure is....mandated sectionals and change of tactics notifications.....abject disgraces both. Shame Shame Shame.

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    I have always felt that the slow sectional fines should be done away and replaced with a lack of initiative fine given to all the other drivers who are sitting back and allowing it to happen. This should appeal to everyone, instead of one driver getting hit with a $100 fine, they may be able to nab six to eight drivers for $50 a piece!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple V View Post
    [VVV] Hey VOR. Be that as it may, to put a little perspective on all this, you know...if they keep on finining drivers etc. at the rate that they are currently handing them out (see May 15th through June 24th) they stand to collect a rather handy $200,000 pa.
    I heard a rumour today that they were considering installing Lack Of Speed Cameras at each quarter on all NSW Tracks so that Drivers who back the field down on the front end and go slower than the specified sectionals will no longer clog up the Stewards Room post race, instead they'll just receive their Fines in the mail along with a link to a wesbite which displays a picture of the offence for verification purposes.
    There are also said to be moves afoot for Gear Form Cameras to be installed in all NSW marshalling yards, a move which is being welcomed by the Stewards as by and large most are under the impression that a Murphy Blind is in fact a pissed Irishman.
    Triple V one of your best talk about calling a spade a shovel I doubt in my time on this forum I have seen a better example gear, you know it and so do I in harness gear is a joke and will be forever if you need a horse to be on hole six on a headcheck to keep him off a knee and you put him in hole 4 the stewards will never know. Just one example.

    Sectionals have been a drama since the early seventies when it was discussed to cut prize money when they went too slow I do not know the answer never have, but todays rule is there and while it is should be adhered too.


    I f you have a better alternative contact HRNSW and put it forward. You never know your luck

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    Sectionals wise...

    ...I've just never been able to understand why the burden of tempo falls upon the leader to set, that as opposed to those sitting back behind and repeatedly failing/refusing to put their own charge/s into the race.
    It is absurd.
    If drivers hang back & let the leader get away with murder then more fool them.
    Watch what G-Mac did with Reno Street last night in Race 6 at Penrith, wandered out in 39, wandered a 1st half in 63 & a bit then home in 58, never looked like getting beaten, I expect Boris and Reno would have been heading to the windows with a lap to go.
    Now I've got no idea what the mandated requirements of G-Mac are as far as sectionals are concerned but as a case on point.....the fact is those behind him let dawdle through the first 1320m of that 2125m race in 1:42.2. Is it G-Mac's fault nobody behind him showed any initiative whatsoever ? I think not.
    As far as ideas are concerned...I don't have an alternative as such (not sure that there needs to be one anyway) however I'm also sure that a demonstrably bad idea is not in any way a better thing than no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple V View Post
    ...I've just never been able to understand why the burden of tempo falls upon the leader to set, that as opposed to those sitting back behind and repeatedly failing/refusing to put their own charge/s into the race.
    It is absurd.
    If drivers hang back & let the leader get away with murder then more fool them.
    Watch what G-Mac did with Reno Street last night in Race 6 at Penrith, wandered out in 39, wandered a 1st half in 63 & a bit then home in 58, never looked like getting beaten, I expect Boris and Reno would have been heading to the windows with a lap to go.
    Now I've got no idea what the mandated requirements of G-Mac are as far as sectionals are concerned but as a case on point.....the fact is those behind him let dawdle through the first 1320m of that 2125m race in 1:42.2. Is it G-Mac's fault nobody behind him showed any initiative whatsoever ? I think not.
    As far as ideas are concerned...I don't have an alternative as such (not sure that there needs to be one anyway) however I'm also sure that a demonstrably bad idea is not in any way a better thing than no idea.
    This.

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    Well I've an idea on how we could use the money, how about a "Start Management Computer" with transponder chips in the saddle cloths to ensure drivers score up in the correct starting position, with an alarm sent through an earpiece to the starter if they don't? And if we've collected enough why not trial something that could change harness racing like the transition from standing to mobile starts did-handicap mobile starts? Seriously-its 2012 and it could be done, sign posts at 10m intervals along the score up, computer in the mobile, earpiece for drivers that emits a tone that becomes more frequent as they approach their "mark" behind the mobile becoming constant and louder if they get ahead of their mark during the score up. Computer iniates a false start if anyone is in front of their mark when the field is released or reviewed immediately after the race to DQ anyone who was ahead of their mark. I'm sure theres a computer/electronics geek out there that could whip one up for us.

    Ok I'm probably dreaming but Jamie think of the stud opportunities for Guido, on an 800m track his stock could automaticly get a 400m handicap in a mile race, no ones likely to notice at the finish they went half a lap less then the rest!

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    I have NO idea what a slow sectional would be defined as today at Menangle, but if there are breaches it would show just how ridiculous these breaches and fines are. Imagine a driver being asked to explain themselves for going too slow in the The Flying K heats. "Well Sir, no-one attacked me...what am I supposed to do, sacrifice my horse to justify your minimum time standards?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncobrad View Post
    I have NO idea what a slow sectional would be defined as today at Menangle, but if there are breaches it would show just how ridiculous these breaches and fines are. Imagine a driver being asked to explain themselves for going too slow in the The Flying K heats. "Well Sir, no-one attacked me...what am I supposed to do, sacrifice my horse to justify your minimum time standards?"
    [VVV] EXACTLY! The rule governing slow sectionals works in direct opposition to the rule which requires a driver to afford his/her horse every opportunity to finish in the best possible position. Absolutely bloody absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple V View Post
    [VVV] EXACTLY! The rule governing slow sectionals works in direct opposition to the rule which requires a driver to afford his/her horse every opportunity to finish in the best possible position. Absolutely bloody absurd.
    Hey Triple

    Common mate say what you really mean lmao. It's a rule to rip more money out of the driver's pocket's, it is complete and utter bulls##t and it should be scrapped and the person who come up with this idiotic rule should have to refund all the driver's who have been fined.

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