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Na but i would drive down there if he was to wear the same dress Shirley Bassey wore whilst singing Hey Big Spender that would be a classic. And if you new Triplev123 you would understand. It would be a youtube hit.
Thanks TripleV123,
I had the farms mixed up, the Warwick stud is the farm I was refering to. Beautiful surroundings for a couple of stallions.
Hi Mango, You want to drive to see a bloke drop his pants? Hmmmmmmmmm
Na but i would drive down there if he was to wear the same dress Shirley Bassey wore whilst singing Hey Big Spender that would be a classic. And if you new Triplev123 you would understand. It would be a youtube hit.
Geeze thanks Mango. Put me on the spot why don't you?Originally Posted by mango
First off, I'm probably the worst person you could ask this question of as I'm just not a Rocknroll Hanover fan, though many may well see that as verging on Heretic thinking.
I do however really like Rock N Roll Heaven and I like his grandsire Western Ideal as well as his late sire, Western Hanover (I've got a lovely water colour of him here on the wall in my office) and in turn his sire No Nukes. Go back a step & there's old mate Oil Burner. Never liked him. Nasty bastard.
I'm not a Mach Three fan either but how could you go past Somebeachsomewhere, what a great horse. I liked Mach Three's sire Matt's Scooter but never cared for his sire Direct Scooter. Call me fickle.
While I think of it, I just don't buy either of those size assessments nor for that matter do I believe any of the others that I read or am told.
Somehow, magically....they're ALL 15.3h !!!!!!!!
The reason I say that is IMO there's 15.3 and there's 15.3.
For example, two very prominent sires here in the Southern Hemisphere are listed in their advertising as being 15.3... yet to my eye they're about as alike size wise as Courage Under Fire and Melpark Major.
Forget about what the ad. blurb says Mango. Go have a look at both of them & make up your own mind what size they are.
Ok, so I've dicked about and have danced around answering your question long enough.
Hand on Heart, God's honest truth, I'd go with Rock N Roll Heaven. He was the real deal & then some & I just can't see him missing either in NY State or more to the point, here in NSW.
Well let's just hope they both come out so i get the chance to take a good look and make my mind up.
Somebeachsomewhere is the King !
If you had to have your last dollar on any horse in the last 10 years it would have to be him. Equal fastest pacer of all time at 3, leading all the way.
Had a lovely filly by him but lost her in a paddock accident. A beautiful big stong filly, the best that I have bred. The mare is only small, however Somebeachsomewhere put plenty of size into the foal.
Have another mare in foal to him this year. Will definately be going back to him again.
Hi Love Of Courage
Sorry to hear about the death of your filly, what did you end up doing with your yearling's.
Geeze, how bloody horrible LOC. Sorry to hear of your misfortune. Terrible stuff.
Somebeachsomewhere filly.jpgHello & thank you for your kind thoughts This was my Somebeachsomewhere filly. She fractured her leg in a paddock accident.Plates were inserted and things were going very well until infection set in and I lost her.
Mango I still have 2 of my 3 yearlings for sale from the Brisbane Auction. I have a nice Artsplace yearling colt closely related to Ransom Olds that I will be bringing over from NZ.
Enjoy the posts from you guys it is very informative.
Regards,
Sue
Hi Sue,
Always sad to hear of these things happening.
A few week ago I was reading another forum and one fellow that had been breeding for 20 years had lost 2 foals in just acouple of days.
It was the first time he had ever lost a foal and he was terribly upset about it. I felt very sorry for him, but it could have just been his turn after 20 years of good luck.
I'm hoping for 20 years of his kind of luck
Given the right mare I would breed to Mach Three, Somebeachsomewhere no one should disagree on this horse.
TripleV123, how many breeders actually take a drive to look first hand at the stallion they are breeding to?
Last edited by justdoit; 02-21-2011 at 10:15 PM.
G'day justdoit,
This is a significantly nicer subject than arguing the toss with Buster. Thanks.
I reckon nowhere near as many people go for a drive to have a look as should do and I can't talk because I've most certainly been guilty of not doing so too.
Interestingly, the last couple of crops that we've bred have come from sires where the circumstances at the time conspired to allow either myself or all of us to have a really good look at and I think on type they're two of the best overall groups we've put on the ground.
Most seasons you will get 1 or maybe 2 that, in terms of a comparison ot the rest of your foals, you would probably give back if given the chance...but not last year nor this time around. I'd like to think that's more than just coincidence but who knows? Maybe it was just arse.
I think the 'not laying eyes on the sire' aspect is an inherent & significant drawback with semen transport. It's just so easy to roll up and order like you were going through a McDonald's drive through. I don't have a clean slate in that regard either...and in similar moments of reflection I doubt there is a semen transport reliant breeder anywhere in the entire country who could hand on heart say that they've stood beside every single sire they've ever bred a mare to and gone over him with a fine toothed comb.
For example, we bred a mare to Bettor's Delight via frozen semen very, very early on in the piece on the basis of applying what I was told about the horse via phone call to his trainer Scott McEneny. He told me the type of mare he thought we should put to BD and said if we did that...quote "The horse will do the rest". That foal turned out really good & he's now over in the US being prepped for the $200,000 George Morton Levy at Yonkers in March and they think they're a real chance of getting the $. Maybe I got it right, maybe we were just lucky. I don't know.
I think that whole thing was THE major problem that plagued frozen semen in the early days. I think it's quite possible that alot of well meaning breeders went with a large % of unsuitable sire/mare combinations on the basis that they'd not seen the sire/s? I had a go with Astreos over a Torado Hanover mare on that basis...no good on type and never made the track, and again... guilty as charged.
Fast forwarding and though I'm not a particularly big fan of the Trotters, I think that Muscle Hill was the ants pants. My brother has a piece of a Trotting mare and I guess one day she'll be bred to a horse like that though her trainer is not surprisingly a big fan of his sire, Muscles Yankee. She's a nice looking mare, very good gaited etc. but does she suit either of them on type? I've not got the faintest idea. History seeks to repeats itself?
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