Penrith's off...again.

[nat]

There has to be given every chance for owners to race those not so good horse that get bred every year to make some money NSW best horse over the past few years Karloo Mick built his rep on being able to go two and three wide trip on the 1000m and 800m tracks and Vertigal nearly unbeatable at Menangal finds it hard anywhere else

[aussiebreno]

There has to be given every chance for owners to race those not so good horse that get bred every year to make some money NSW best horse over the past few years Karloo Mick built his rep on being able to go two and three wide trip on the 1000m and 800m tracks and Vertigal nearly unbeatable at Menangal finds it hard anywhere else

There is no rule saying lesser class horses can't race at Menangle/Eastern Creek. They aren't going to drop the number of races there will still be as many races. If it was one or the other between 800m and 1000m imagine how many more horses would actually get to the races!

[smithy]

Has there been any move to upgrade the country track in NSW maybe standardize them to 1000m where possible even through in another 1400m I know where smithy is coming from those numbers look good in the sales catalogues. I don't think you can just race at Menangle the reality is once the prize money goes' up most of the horses racing there now will be forced out to the country tracks to make a living and IMO a few of the horses and driver have been caught out try to race Menangle trip on the smaller tracks

Defiantly with you there Mango I would have guessed around 75% its a wonder how so many good horses come out of the sales

because its a percentage of owners, not horses... that 10% of owners probably breed 30-40% of foals and spend twice as much on good stallions and good mares

[smithy]

if a horse can't win at menangle then they shouldnt be in the soon to be premier racing in Australasia... what happens when all the good kiwis get here? build a 600m track because horses that used to win on an 800 m track can't win anymore? no - if they cant make it in sydney then they should be in south australia or queensland where they are competitive

[mango]

If they can't win at Menangle that's why you keep a track like Penrith, so what your saying Smithy is that the people who pay big money to buy yearling's or spend money on good mare's and go to good stallion's and them horses don't make the grade send them to S.A or QLD that's very short sighted as a lot of owner's like to go to the track and watch there horses race so are you suggesting they jump on a plane everytime there horse race's in another state lmao.

[triplev123]

Hi Breno

Not all horses are suited to big tracks so if Penrith,Bankstown and Fairfield were to set up at Eastern Creek where would the closest 800m track be for horses from Sydney. As one of the people who mention the lower class horses i look at it this way and how it was explained to me some horses can go 2.02 at Penrith but then go to Menangle and are lucky to run 1:59 where as the winner goes 56 and change so in looking at this that horse will have more of a chance winning at Penrith and hardly a chance winning at Menangle.

G'day Mango,

Not all horses are suited to bigger tracks but at a bare bones level it's not the size of the track that dictates if a given horse can be competitive or not. Instead, it's the class of the horse that they're in against. Glaring examples are starting to arise at Menangle where the $ is the best so the best horses head there to race and the lesser lights get spanked. If you had 10 of those lesser lights on Menangle in the one race then all they do is go slower but one of them still wins and others still finish in the placings. It would be no different if they moved Penrith, Fairfield & Bankstwon to Easter Creek.
In fact, you can produce extremely even racing on a Mile track for a bunch of horses that would struggle to break an R0 if the correct handicapping aspects are in place, not the least of which is tiered/differential/staggered prizemoney.
On half milers as they stand here in Oz, by way of their basic geometry, they do not allow for fairer racing for lesser lights. Instead they serve to excentuate minute differences by way of ever so slight ability edges combined with an advantageous draw and the driver's skillful use of tight turns & short straights.

[triplev123]

If they can't win at Menangle that's why you keep a track like Penrith, so what your saying Smithy is that the people who pay big money to buy yearling's or spend money on good mare's and go to good stallion's and them horses don't make the grade send them to S.A or QLD that's very short sighted as a lot of owner's like to go to the track and watch there horses race so are you suggesting they jump on a plane everytime there horse race's in another state lmao.

That's exactly what should happen. It happens now in a basic way. That's the beauty of the US/CAN system. They all aspire to the big-time tracks and the best prizemoney but if they can't cut it then they drop to the next level and if not there then the next level and they keep dropping back in prizemoney until they reach a level where they're competitive.

[smithy]

yes tripl v but can you see that ever happening here? i know they tried to have it brought in and fitzy blocked it...and now hes the main one behind a sprintlane and supporting small tracks for weak horses...go figure

[smithy]

If they can't win at Menangle that's why you keep a track like Penrith, so what your saying Smithy is that the people who pay big money to buy yearling's or spend money on good mare's and go to good stallion's and them horses don't make the grade send them to S.A or QLD that's very short sighted as a lot of owner's like to go to the track and watch there horses race so are you suggesting they jump on a plane everytime there horse race's in another state lmao.

yes they can go and watch them..but they will have to watch them run last... there is no way sydney should be trying to keep weak horses around, it should be promoting a state of the art track and amazing prizemoney... just remember when they race at those small tracks your only looking after the owners who have drawn 1,2,8 or have amazing gatespeed, the rest of the horses might as well stay at home

[Greg Hando]

if a horse can't win at menangle then they shouldnt be in the soon to be premier racing in Australasia... what happens when all the good kiwis get here? build a 600m track because horses that used to win on an 800 m track can't win anymore? no - if they cant make it in sydney then they should be in south australia or queensland where they are competitive

Smithy i don't know who you are and don't really care but you are way off the mark with this comment their is no rule to say where and who can race a horse at Menangle if you had your way Harness Racing in NSW
would die it is the little battler who keep's the game viable as it is. He doesn't care if they win or lose they just like to see their horse's race and why shouldn't they be able to race at the best track in their own class.
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