The ASBP Report: How can they be serious? Bad news for harness owners

[Greg Hando]

i breed a couple mate, but i also own race horses... don't think that i must just hate breeding because i think this paper is stupidity

oh sorry how terrible, 2 years in attempting to make enormous returns... absolute battlers

how can breeders be doing it so tough and yet art major gets full books? is there no other stallion that would be suitable that individual mare?

No don't think you hate breeding or you wouldnt have bought a mare
Yes their probably is other stallion's for the mare but i suppose they wan't to breed to the best they can afford.
Not all breeder's are loaded from the money they make from horse's a majority are actually battler's and i'm one of them. What some forget is to have a close look at their mare's and price the foal's they want to sell accordingly as a lot don't do that they put on telephone number price's then wonder why they can't sell If they went to a sire that was cheaper they may well make a higher percentage of profit on their initial outlay.

[Greg Hando]

Instead of sending retired geldings to the glue factory (sadly) we can use them as surragotes! That way breeders can race their mare and earn prizemoney and still breed. Winning idea or what haha

It would be good i could get rid of the old girl, get a bloke and make money instead of spending it ha ha

[mightymo]

i feel so so so sorry for the poor breeders who sold yearlings for 20k+ or more, they've only at a minimum doubled their money breeding that horse in 12 months... poor bastards

Smithy you are living in dream land.

if you use a 5K stallion, you need to get 15000 at the sales just to break even!

Now go look at the sales, and see how many horses made money for their breeder.

Ill give you a scary fact - between 75-80% of foals sold at the most recent sales, LOST money for their breeder.

[mightymo]

If foal numbers are down then doesn't that mean demand is down? If the demand was there the foals would be being purchased. Another point saying demand is down is that even with lower foal numbers breeders are still complaining of low sale prices. So if MORE foals are born under this initiative then breeders will lose out more as supply will outweight demand too heavily and sale prices will go down. Either the industry and overpopulated or consumer demand needs to increase.
They are trying to increase consumer demand of Aust foals by taxing imports. Yes this will work. But the side affects are not worth it (a stagnant breed, a fishbowl)
The other way to increase demand is create a better product. This will create a better breed of horse. Side affects will be increase costs for breeders.
Another alternative is for breeders to accept lower prices. But this means breeders lose out on sales and the breed is stagnant.
So my conclusion is the breeding industry is either over-populated or a dying industry. You don't see the pie shop getting taxed by the sausage roll shop just because the pie shop is more popular. Breed to race; and as I said earlier; if field numbers go down then there will always be owners importing in and trying to take advantage of easier competition.

Aussie breno i dont think you actually understand the purpose behind the panel being put together in the first place. it has nothing to do with increasing sale prices for commercial breeders. 93% of foals bred are bred to be raced by their owner/breeder. They are hobbyists. The problem we have is that a huge number of hobby breeders are no longer breeding. We NEED them to stay in the game

[justdoit]

You are forgiven aussiebreno
Peoples hobbies are the first in line to cease when a strain on finances comes around.
All the great stallions that we now have in Australia are still over priced for the market place?)/(&%$"· haha is that new to anyone?

[aussiebreno]

Aussie breno i dont think you actually understand the purpose behind the panel being put together in the first place. it has nothing to do with increasing sale prices for commercial breeders. 93% of foals bred are bred to be raced by their owner/breeder. They are hobbyists. The problem we have is that a huge number of hobby breeders are no longer breeding. We NEED them to stay in the game

Lessened expense (of the credits) means breeders SHOULD use the benefit of going to a better stallion (if aim is to breed to sell) and sale price will increase for that breeder.
Making an import of $5000 will draw down the number of imports (or didnt the scheme think of this). Because the imports (which someone said is only 600 a year which is a SMALL number in terms of total foals per year) are higher to purchase I believe the scheme also wanted the effect that those owners buying imports will take their cash to the yearling sales. More buyers drives up sale price. But as I've said earlier they are two different markets and the demand isn't paralel.
For the breed to race; see Mango's post #81 in the thread.
You say 93% of foals are bred to race. Why aren't people breeding to race then? Maybe the rewards are not there. Prizemoney needs to increase. A $5000 import fee is not going to increase prizemoney. Breeding credits probably will increase the number of foals born; but the funding of it is a joke. Don't breeders get 5% stakemoney? How about they rush that off to the bank and save it for when they want to breed. Or make it an increased figure to say 7.5%.

[mightymo]

It looks like you have all the solutions.

Increase prizemoney you say. Well , that's a novel idea. I doubt anyone thought of that one before.

Now, why dont you tell us how we increase prizemoney....

[The Big Mile]

It looks like you have all the solutions.

Increase prizemoney you say. Well , that's a novel idea. I doubt anyone thought of that one before.

Now, why dont you tell us how we increase prizemoney....

Why dont you tell us the avenues pursued in terms of where funding for the NBCS was coming from.

Tell us what was shot down in flames and what wasn't.

If we know all the avenues explored, we might be able to look further afield in the attempt to get a solution.

[mightymo]

Somewhere in this thread it was mentioned that studs should be contributing more. Well therein lies a very big part of the problem. Of the $16M odd dollars spent on service fees each year, a HUGE proportion is simply going back to the US stallion owners. As things stand, the Aust studs are not making a whole lot of money as many of the deals to get the top class stallions were done on significantly unfavourable terms.

[aussiebreno]

It looks like you have all the solutions.

Increase prizemoney you say. Well , that's a novel idea. I doubt anyone thought of that one before.

Now, why dont you tell us how we increase prizemoney....

I don't believe there needs to be a solution. Individual breeders need to increase their product, or as a collective the breeding industry needs to accept its shrinking because at the moment buyer pattern shows it is overpopulated. There is no problem that needs fixing.

And now we just go in a circle. You will come saying but foal numbers are down, race field are going down. Well if they go down I will go around the circle again and say that less fields mean more chance of winning meaning people will buy horses in search of that win; which will again naturally increase the breeding industry.

Breeders need to realise the demand is not there and live with it. Not steal from somewhere else.