Nah, not as far as I'm aware. IMO it's not an accurate guide because, as I said, depending on the timing and in order to beat it...it is no great stretch of the imagination to suspect the smarties of employing slightly to significantly more slowly absorbed buffers than Arm & Hammer... and they certainly do exist....old mate Sodium Citrate for example.
It's quite true that the 2hrs prior will weed some of that out for sure, however the 2hrs post will weed ALL off that out, without any question. A 1st Year Chemistry Student could construct a buffer solution that would be a pretty fair chance of flying under the radar as far as a pre race TC02 test is concerned.
Post race TC02 testing however, not even the combined knowledge of all the greatest Chemists to have ever lived can roll it.
I believe that this can still be dodge if you give a horse bi carb within 4 hours of a race but the reading will be close to the threshold that the stewards know to nab you for a post race swab. thats my understanding is that right VVV?Originally Posted by triplev123
I 100% agree. TC02 positives are just about ancient history in north America now they post race TC02. Why waste funds with pre race TC02 tests when post race 2 hour TC02 is more effective...? Getting to tracks 2 hours before hand and a 2 hour post race TC02 and there wouldn't be a TC02 positive again....
honestly i think tc02 is still the best chance of catching a cheat... flash im sure you remember them catching the n daley for 2 bicarbs, found a fridge full of needles and bottles they couldnt even identitfy
[VVV] EXACTLY! Currently however the powers that be are either being VERY badly advised or they're working on a prehistoric basis as far as the testing regime is concerned. On course 2hrs prior to a race & 2hrs after for Post Race TC02 and Arm & Hammer will be out of business inside 3 months.
I've been banging on about instituting Post Race TC02 Testing for freaking years & is has continually fallen on deaf ears. I'll bet my Jatz Crackers that few if any of them actually understand the subject at hand.
yes, providing it is post race IMHO
Hey Flashing, when placed in the context of recent unfortunate events events here in NSW the cynic in me quickly comes to the fore & I develop some rather serious concerns over the legitimacy of the well documented historical resistance to Post Race TC02 Testing.
You know, I know, every God damned racing jurisdiction in the USA & CAN knows full well that Pre Race TC02 Testing is an absolute waste of time if you're genuinely seeking to catch those other than just the needy, the greedy and the sloppy. Makes me wonder how long it is going to take for the penny to finally drop here in Oz????
I can basically track this Pre Race Vs Post Race discussion across half a dozen Harness forums (both defunct & live) similar to this and it goes as far back as the middle/end of 1997. You'd think that after 14 years or so someone, somewhere here in Oz would finally get the freaking message huh?
At the low-tech end of the spectrum yeh, it is probably fair to say that Remington & as such (to the surprise of nobody who has looked into the subject)...the Pre Race duly picks up the low-tech end of the spectrum...as well as catching, just like I've said before, the needy, the greedy and the sloppy.
The problem is, the smarties with a bit more tech swish to their approach can & I strongly suspect do still manage to skate & they'll continue to do so until such time as the Troops start to aim up with 2hr Post Race TCO2 Testing.
One thing I simply don't understand is that a mandatory on-course 2hrs prior combined with a Post Race TC02 Testing regime would be infinitely easier for the Stewards to administer as well as being infinitely more effective at weeding out the transgressors. Currently the timing aspects to catching TC02 offenders is critical when employing Pre Race testing...but timing is not anywhere near being such an issue when Post Race testing is used.
yeah thats what i meant.... and they did keep morris' winner behind 2 hours after the race last week at menangleyes, providing it is post race IMHO
i'd love to see them start testing hematocrits and make the results public, a few trainers would be having more heart palpitations then their horses
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another day, another TC02. Next thing the tea ladies will be taking out licences to fill fields, no one will be left.
Jack O'Shea with the horse Bremansa. Yet again it is another long shot (started $54.80) beaten some way that has thrown up a positive.
It seems strange all these positives from non winners / horses beaten some way in races in the last few weeks.
Last edited by The Big Mile; 08-23-2011 at 10:26 PM.
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