Quote Originally Posted by Smoken View Post
So if IMTQ for instance had a race to suit, but ran a shocker, would that then mean, something was wrong with him, or he just ain't good enough anymore in this level? Triggers past 5 starts, apart from mm, have been massive, especially his 4ths!
Beautide and every other horse deserves respect, no disrespect to any of them, but why is it wrong to say that Trigger is as good ATM as the rest of them? If I was talking about Triggers form from 2-5 yrs ago, I don't think most people would be mentioning any of the other horses in the same league as Trigger. He was nearly unbeatable, & even the flashy gazelle ITMQ couldn't get past him after having a fantastic sit.. They didn't even smash the clock that night, imagine ITMQ ran in LSM, which Trigger ran 148.5.. No horse that night would have beaten him, not even if they were Superhorse!
Depends on the situation re a horse running a 'shocker'. As I've been over, there are enough tie ins with Mach Beauty, Abettorpunt form that the result on Saturday night in the MM was indicative of where each horse is at. There has to be a passing of the crown at some stage and I think Sat night was certaintly it.
Have a look at the result, you can't say Smoken Up is as good as Beautide at the moment. A 12m margin says that. FAR has owned Mach Beauty lately. Mach Beauty doesn't run within a length of FAR from many tries. Yet he runs within a length of Smoken Up. FAR would have ran down Smoken Up last week. Just as FAR went past Smoken Up on Sat night. All pointers say FAR is better than Smoken Up. Beautide has beaten FAR (who has ran sub 1.50) 2/2 now, running straight past him on Sat night. Currently, Beautide is going a lot better than Smoken Up.
All indicators say Beautide would have won Cordina beating Smoken Up, and this was proved on Sat night in the Miracle Mile. Beautide is currently better than Smoken Up (over a mile at Menangle, Beautide is untested in this level over anything else), and has his measure.

This isn't an attack on Smoken Up. Nothing to be ashamed about running 5th in 1.50.2 as an 11yo. His best days just behind him, when he was at his peak the TAB wouldn't have offered a Miracle Mile win bet market, the market would have simply been pick the margin!!!