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Messenger Sprint lanes Suck 05-03-2014, 03:20 AM
Guest I am a big big fan of... 05-03-2014, 10:18 AM
Maorisidol So Kev, how would you feel... 05-03-2014, 03:06 PM
Messenger Guys Pt .1 If there is... 05-03-2014, 03:44 PM
Guest The 1-1 is still the best... 05-03-2014, 04:21 PM
Messenger All good points Brenno but... 05-03-2014, 04:36 PM
teecee No sprint lane at menangle.... 05-03-2014, 05:28 PM
Messenger As I said teecee I want to... 05-03-2014, 07:39 PM
Lenem Sprint lane only ensures that... 05-03-2014, 08:03 PM
teecee Don't you think that trailing... 05-03-2014, 08:57 PM
Messenger Instead of jumping up and... 05-03-2014, 08:26 PM
teecee The comparison of harness to... 05-03-2014, 09:00 PM
Messenger I hear you teecee but... 05-03-2014, 11:26 PM
Lenem I could equally argue with no... 05-03-2014, 10:37 PM
Danno Lenny I am loath to to... 05-03-2014, 11:03 PM
Lenem If simplistic means actually... 05-03-2014, 11:07 PM
Messenger I loved the Showgrounds' days... 05-03-2014, 11:23 PM
Lenem one could argue that for the... 05-03-2014, 11:34 PM
Danno I'm not a fan of the sprint... 05-03-2014, 09:13 PM
Guest It's not just punters but... 05-04-2014, 12:14 AM
HaroldParker Every example is better and... 05-07-2014, 02:24 AM
Guest Exactly right. Which means... 05-07-2014, 10:36 AM
Greg Hando I hate them and we refer to... 05-03-2014, 10:40 PM
Messenger one could argue that runners... 05-03-2014, 11:52 PM
Guest Are Nathan Jack and Bill... 05-03-2014, 11:56 PM
Messenger Are you having a shot at me... 05-04-2014, 12:35 AM
Guest Nah mate, I mean the beaten... 05-04-2014, 12:50 AM
Messenger Your stored messages is full... 05-04-2014, 02:21 PM
Richard prior All clear Kev, Thanks mate 05-04-2014, 02:26 PM
Big K For me its pretty simple,The... 05-04-2014, 04:45 PM
Messenger The emboldened is a pretty... 05-04-2014, 09:28 PM
Danno If you build a track built to... 05-04-2014, 10:04 PM
Guest Danno, punting trends in the... 05-04-2014, 10:20 PM
Danno Thats precisely the point I... 05-04-2014, 10:25 PM
Njcstables I totally agree Danno. Plenty... 05-06-2014, 12:56 AM
Messenger This topic has run its race... 05-05-2014, 02:44 AM
Messenger Why didn't Courageousnquick... 05-06-2014, 03:20 AM
brent_L When Petroff decided to come... 05-06-2014, 10:23 AM
HarnessFan Isn't it funny that the... 05-06-2014, 12:40 PM
Messenger I have expressed some of the... 05-06-2014, 03:04 PM
HarnessFan Kevin, you seem to want to... 05-06-2014, 03:26 PM
Messenger I started this thread saying... 05-06-2014, 05:52 PM
Toohard Last 5 days racing in Vic..... 05-06-2014, 06:16 PM
Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild I didnt like the idea of... 05-06-2014, 06:49 PM
Toohard Month of April 2014 courtesy... 05-06-2014, 08:42 PM
Triple V VVV- OUTSTANDING work there... 05-06-2014, 10:30 PM
Njcstables The problem that I have with... 05-07-2014, 12:46 AM
Guest The exact same thing happens... 05-07-2014, 12:59 AM
Messenger Not wanting to argue about it... 05-20-2014, 05:26 PM
Messenger Thinking about how a smaller... 05-20-2014, 08:54 PM
Danno Sorry Kevin, but I think... 05-21-2014, 12:32 AM
Njcstables I'm with you Danno. 05-21-2014, 01:04 AM
Messenger I am not saying I would like... 05-21-2014, 02:15 AM
HaroldParker Sprint Lanes for NSW 08-22-2014, 03:13 PM
Messenger I don't like them either Bob.... 08-22-2014, 04:21 PM
HaroldParker As a punter you adjust to it.... 08-22-2014, 05:02 PM
Messenger $34 LOL They provide but do... 08-22-2014, 05:28 PM
HaroldParker What I find perplexing,... 08-22-2014, 05:44 PM
Guest You would have been happy... 08-22-2014, 10:41 PM
Maorisidol So the $3 Fav draws 3, the 2... 08-23-2014, 12:11 AM
NormanS My arguments against sprint... 08-22-2014, 11:19 PM
Messenger But Norman because all... 08-23-2014, 12:01 AM
NormanS I understand this, but it is... 08-23-2014, 08:39 PM
Messenger As I said, I am not a fan... 08-23-2014, 11:22 PM
Messenger Ash you get yourself in the... 08-23-2014, 01:09 AM
brent_L Pay special attention to R4... 08-23-2014, 03:00 AM
The Form Student Sprint lane debate once and... 10-22-2014, 12:00 PM
kung fu man Have to agree i dont think we... 10-22-2014, 02:01 PM
Danno Not a fan of sprint lanes, I... 10-22-2014, 02:17 PM
Njcstables Absolutely no, definitely not... 10-22-2014, 02:31 PM
The Form Student Totally agree, if you draw... 10-22-2014, 02:39 PM
Messenger 6 pages of thoughts in this... 10-22-2014, 02:52 PM
The Form Student Thanks Kev, I knew there was... 10-22-2014, 03:51 PM
Messenger As the previous thread shows,... 10-22-2014, 04:23 PM
The Form Student The more pertinent aspect is... 10-22-2014, 05:03 PM
Messenger I am not sure that driving to... 10-22-2014, 05:29 PM
The Form Student To refine my thought, the... 10-22-2014, 05:56 PM
Messenger Like I said Steve, I hate the... 10-22-2014, 06:53 PM
Maorisidol Glass half full? Glass half... 10-22-2014, 07:47 PM
Messenger Your glass theory assumes... 10-22-2014, 09:16 PM
Guest Interesting that Ash makes... 10-22-2014, 10:00 PM
Maorisidol discuss discuss discuss for... 10-22-2014, 10:46 PM
The Form Student Bathurst is on... 10-23-2014, 12:58 AM
Messenger The glass remark is probably... 10-23-2014, 12:06 AM
Maorisidol 43% winning rate. 67%... 10-23-2014, 12:39 AM
The Form Student The evolution will be that... 10-23-2014, 01:05 AM
The Form Student Glass half empty or full is... 10-22-2014, 08:24 PM
The Form Student You boys have come up with... 10-22-2014, 10:54 PM
Messenger Ash, I think the big... 10-23-2014, 12:58 AM
cyclone george We can all look at stats but... 10-23-2014, 01:11 AM
The Form Student Let me put it this way, why... 10-23-2014, 10:12 AM
brent_L Love them. As a punter, love... 10-23-2014, 04:43 PM
The Form Student Maybe they don't, but when... 10-23-2014, 04:59 PM
Big K At Melton, the sprint lane... 10-24-2014, 07:49 AM
Messenger I think this is the core of... 10-24-2014, 12:23 PM
The Form Student That is rubbish! Until the... 10-24-2014, 02:41 PM
The Form Student Bravo........you watch a race... 10-24-2014, 02:54 PM
Guest Who is the horse getting the... 10-24-2014, 04:25 PM
Messenger Interesting point Brendan. ... 10-24-2014, 04:44 PM
Guest Let me know of a championship... 10-24-2014, 04:49 PM
Messenger The first one that springs to... 10-24-2014, 04:55 PM
The Form Student So what happens in a non PBD... 10-24-2014, 05:08 PM
Guest No, RBD just grin and bear... 10-24-2014, 05:50 PM
Messenger An astute harness racing... 10-24-2014, 04:58 PM
The Form Student How do you expect the "mug'... 10-24-2014, 06:02 PM
Guest So, that's what it's really... 10-24-2014, 06:27 PM
The Form Student It's not what's easier for... 10-24-2014, 10:05 PM
brent_L I reckon Breno is spot on... 10-24-2014, 07:14 PM
Maorisidol So i replayed the first 11... 10-24-2014, 08:18 PM
Toohard http://bit.ly/1DAZ08i ... 10-24-2014, 06:55 PM
The Form Student Now that would be a good idea... 10-24-2014, 10:01 PM
The Form Student Do you know what, I can't... 10-24-2014, 08:01 PM
The Form Student I like your... 10-24-2014, 08:29 PM
Messenger I will be doing the Stats all... 10-24-2014, 08:48 PM
Race For Fun As I wrote earlier I don't... 10-24-2014, 09:38 PM
brent_L Not sure that's quite fair... 10-25-2014, 04:15 AM
Race For Fun I didn't call it a "cheat... 10-25-2014, 09:26 AM
The Form Student Your comment is spot... 10-25-2014, 02:10 PM
Maorisidol Steve says, "No matter how... 10-25-2014, 11:30 PM
Richard prior Now Mr Feelgood was no slouch... 10-25-2014, 10:12 AM
Messenger The answer of course is long... 10-24-2014, 09:53 PM
Messenger Kev to Kevin I know what you... 10-24-2014, 11:31 PM
The Form Student Yes, I have looked at your... 10-25-2014, 01:02 AM
Messenger Humourously (seriously) Tony,... 10-25-2014, 02:53 PM
teecee Your posts have been moved to... 10-25-2014, 08:56 PM
The Form Student There you go Kev, you have... 10-25-2014, 10:14 PM
The Form Student So what's the point of having... 10-26-2014, 12:27 AM
Maorisidol Most of the time. Most of... 10-26-2014, 01:24 AM
Messenger Your sample (and mine) are... 10-26-2014, 02:10 AM
Messenger But you would have to admit... 10-26-2014, 01:44 AM
Maorisidol No doubt Kev. And wasn't... 10-26-2014, 02:22 PM
The Form Student If as you say, they don't... 10-26-2014, 01:49 AM
Maorisidol Steve. Please show me where... 10-26-2014, 02:05 PM
The Form Student I have been going to the... 10-26-2014, 04:36 PM
teecee Im takin my bat and ball and... 10-26-2014, 06:47 PM
The Form Student ""MY POINT IS, they can have... 10-26-2014, 11:35 PM
arlington http://www.harnessmediacentre.... 10-27-2014, 10:58 AM
The Form Student Ashlee got a bit of... 10-27-2014, 12:53 PM
HaroldParker Has there ever been a more... 10-27-2014, 07:23 PM
brent_L Well of course there... 10-27-2014, 09:37 PM
Messenger To be fair Brent, he is only... 10-27-2014, 09:50 PM
brent_L Kev, if that was the way that... 10-27-2014, 09:56 PM
Messenger Yeah you're right - that... 10-27-2014, 10:39 PM
The Form Student I'm with you Bob, it will be... 10-27-2014, 07:35 PM
trish And I'm with everyone that... 10-27-2014, 09:02 PM
Race For Fun Now that a good idea Trish!... 10-27-2014, 09:26 PM
brent_L Spot on Rich. Off topic... 10-27-2014, 10:14 PM
brent_L Paul & Kev, you've knocked me... 10-27-2014, 11:10 PM
Toohard Gday Brent. Will try find out... 10-28-2014, 07:38 PM
Messenger Paul, I remember in the old... 10-28-2014, 09:09 PM
Toohard Gday Brent. I asked around... 11-01-2014, 10:55 AM
Messenger I have done barrier stats... 11-01-2014, 11:47 AM
Messenger I was doing these stats with... 10-28-2014, 12:05 AM
Messenger When I was following my... 10-28-2014, 12:27 AM
Richard prior Off topic a touch here Kev... 10-28-2014, 07:08 AM
Messenger Laura Crossland driver of Smo... 10-28-2014, 11:22 AM
Messenger Heard it this time - he said... 10-28-2014, 02:09 PM
The Form Student You could be going senile... 10-28-2014, 02:21 PM
Messenger I reckon you could be right -... 10-28-2014, 02:32 PM
Richard prior Thanks Kev, Wayne told me the... 10-28-2014, 02:11 PM
Big K Well its a great thread with... 10-28-2014, 01:59 PM
Messenger Totally agree Kevin - we have... 10-28-2014, 02:28 PM
The Form Student Yes, Bathurst R1, sprint lane... 10-29-2014, 08:19 PM
Big K And if you backed it..Glory... 10-29-2014, 09:57 PM
The Form Student You have no choice but to... 10-29-2014, 10:00 PM
The Form Student BATHURST - SPRINT LANE ON... 10-30-2014, 12:21 PM
Mighty Atom Don't have a problem with... 10-30-2014, 01:51 PM
The Form Student Are you serious?.......if any... 10-30-2014, 02:13 PM
Mighty Atom Talking about maneuverability... 10-30-2014, 02:49 PM
Messenger It would then follow Rod, if... 10-30-2014, 02:54 PM
The Form Student For a horse drawn barrier 8,... 10-30-2014, 03:03 PM
The Form Student [QUOTE=brent_L;37576]The... 10-30-2014, 04:00 PM
The Form Student You say that, when I have... 10-30-2014, 05:08 PM
Messenger I begrudgingly accept that... 10-30-2014, 06:31 PM
Big K Fairly accurate I would... 10-31-2014, 02:58 AM
The Form Student Obviously, they don't intend... 10-31-2014, 10:20 AM
Messenger Hi Kev, the report is now... 10-31-2014, 12:16 PM
Guest http://www.harness.org.au/hra/... 10-31-2014, 12:32 PM
The Form Student [QUOTE=aussiebreno;37624]http:... 10-31-2014, 04:01 PM
Guest http://wwwdelivery.superstock.... 10-31-2014, 04:21 PM
Richard prior Hahahahaha, Good one Breno 10-31-2014, 05:24 PM
Messenger If pros like consistency... 10-31-2014, 02:17 PM
The Form Student I therefore "assume"......you... 10-31-2014, 04:42 PM
Guest Nothing that hasn't been said... 10-31-2014, 04:48 PM
The Form Student I have plenty more to... 10-31-2014, 06:06 PM
Maorisidol Steve, the SL CANNOT enhance... 10-31-2014, 04:52 PM
The Form Student I am glad that it is finally... 10-31-2014, 06:01 PM
Chariots Ballarat does not have a... 10-31-2014, 06:07 PM
Guest Highest turnover based on... 10-31-2014, 06:21 PM
Messenger Forget I am posting this, for... 10-31-2014, 05:20 PM
The Form Student There was barely a "squeak"... 10-31-2014, 06:10 PM
Guest Sophies Ideal, what a great... 10-31-2014, 10:33 PM
Richard prior Yes and I know a couple of... 10-31-2014, 10:38 PM
Toohard Couple things about sprint... 11-01-2014, 10:52 AM
Messenger You do not get much more... 11-01-2014, 09:06 PM
NormanS One example where a sprint... 11-15-2014, 07:17 PM
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arlington As long as they start work... 04-01-2015, 10:51 AM
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Messenger If the industry is going to... 06-20-2015, 10:37 PM
HaroldParker The Gold Coast Oaks was a... 06-20-2015, 10:44 PM
Messenger The All Stars certainly... 06-20-2015, 11:08 PM
HaroldParker It looked to me like Shane... 06-21-2015, 12:28 AM
Messenger Yeah Bob on second viewing it... 06-21-2015, 02:40 AM
Danno No surprise that I agree with... 06-20-2015, 11:15 PM
Messenger http://www.harnesslink.com/Aus... 07-29-2015, 01:35 PM
codywinnell Do the gallops have cutaways... 07-29-2015, 01:59 PM
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  1. #11
    Senior Member Horse Of The Year Maorisidol has a spectacular aura about Maorisidol's Avatar
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    Glass half full?
    Glass half empty?
    To me its interesting that those who dislike the sprint lane are glass half empty people, seeing the negative perspective.
    Have any of these owners, trainers, drivers, punters been on the positive receiving end of a winning sprint lane horse? In that example have they not accepted the winners cheque because it was "unfair" or they got an "easy ride" or have they not cashed in the winning betting ticket?
    I don't think so...
    How about every owner, trainer, driver and winning punter who win cos of the sprint lane, are they happy? Hell yeah.
    We still get horses not getting a run and being held up not getting out even at Menangle, thats frustrating, i believe even at Menangle a sprint lane should even out chances cos the straight is so much longer than say Penrith or similar.
    And of course you also get examples like i quoted below in post 62 of this thread where the Fav has no chance of winning and a $42 chance leads to the home turn...

    So the $3 Fav draws 3, the 2 horse at $45 leads and Fav ends up quite ok 1 out 2 back. Just after the bell the Fav is now same but a 3 wide train has started with 2 horses in it, so now at the turn into straight, Fav is 4 back with all but 2 horses in front of him basically last, and sweet bugger alls chance of winning.
    Now if this race was at GP or Menangle, Ballarat etc, you've done your dosh, damn!
    Hang on, this race was at Port Pirie tonite, Race 3, and theres a sprint lane, who wins, the $42 leader on the small track, or do the punters celebrate cos their horse now 4 pegs got a chance?
    http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-re...sa#PPC22081407

    Fav wins, Fav gets a chance, that whats i want as an Owner or trainer or driver or punter, i want a chance...
    ps. and not every horse who has the sit, and the chance to outsprint the leader is ALWAYS good enough to actually win!!!
    Its not like every race is won by the sprint lane, you'd think the way some people talk about the scourge of sprint lanes and the pox of it all that EVERY race is won up the dirty alley!
    Last edited by Maorisidol; 10-22-2014 at 07:53 PM. Reason: ps.

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