I came across a mare from the Lis Mara family named Lisconnie who is by Western Ideal a beautifully bred mare i would say but what struck me as strange unless it's a miss print is that Lisconnie has been bred to American Ideal who's father is by Western Ideal.

Mango you say American Ideal is by a son of Western Ideal that would make the foal 3 x 2 or have i read it wrong