Brendan am i talking in chinese or something , i have never mentioned the bathurst sales if you took the time to read my thread you will see i am talking about the bloody gold crown and tiara heats . Surely you don't class these horses as sub standard.
[ Remember 80% of the horses at Bathurst are losers who don't make it to the finals. Those who run in the Silver Consolations for $5K are a lot different to a $25K Menangle race or a $50,000 Bohemia Crystal.[/QUOTE]
Your intimate knowledge is on full display brendan
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Hey, no fair. You're stealing my material Ron.
Btw...I can't help myself, just one point I'll comment on...
[ It would save the usual yearly quandary of should I KEEP THEM GOING FOR BATHURST OR TIP THEM OUT ]
With all due respect Dan, that's zeroing in on being ridiculous. Keep them going for Bathurst???? That's your quandry???
The Bathurst Carnival's usually conducted towards the last week in March...I think the 2012 edition kicks off around the 20th and the Finals are on Saturday night, 31st March. That I do know. Now this is where your keep them going dilema starts to look a bit shakey. The first of the reasonable $$$ 2yo events here in NSW is The Linden Huntely and it doesn't come on line until Feb. In 2012 it will be conducted somewhere in the 1st week of Feb. Only 7-8 weeks or so later are the Gold Crown/Tiara Finals. Maybe you've got different appreciations of time than myself but from my perspective that's hardly what I'd refer to as an arduous campaign. If you'd started up in January and were wondering about the Breeders Crown Finals in late August then sure, couldn't agree more...but given that few if any 2yos will do anything of any note at all prior to the Huntley and given that Bathurst is never much more than 7-8 weeks after that...I can't see the quandry unless of course a horse was never going to make a 2yo to begin with.
Am I reading it wrong? Please tell me if I am.
Yeah my bad. I thought horses who started at Bathurst crown and tiara had to come through the Bathurst Sales. What a shocking statement by me.
Your intimate knowledge is on full display brendan[/QUOTE]
Which part? My 80% figure or not bothering to look up th actual Bohemia Crystal prizemoney? Or perhaps those M0 and M1-M2 finals weren't 25K. How dare I get the prizemoney wrong.
On the 80% figure. I might have overstated it a little bit but normally there are about 7 heats (7x10=70). 10 in final plus 10 in consolation = 20. So 50 are left in the consolations. 50/70 is what 70%. I'll do better to make sure my % or stakesmoney is spot on next time.
Well Jamie for a start YOU are the one that is confused because your last 2 replies to me you have called me DAN, so let's get it right I'm denny as in A BIT DUSTY not DAN as in DANNO.
Jamie for you to have made that last thread has reinforced the view that I have been getting about you over the last couple of days.
You obviously have no idea what so ever about training horses you must be just a MUG PUNTER or some armchair expert because it is clear you have NEVER EVER SAT YOUR ARSE IN A CART.
Anyone who has half an idea would know that preparing babies is a day to day task . They can be going gun busters today and tomorrow their telling you they need a break .
So I sincerely apologise for taking up your time .I'll let you get back to your armchair.
Well, I tried to be nice about it. You want to make it personal. It ends here. Thanks for your time.
Sorry jamie for any offence, but once again i was just stating facts
Well seeing some genius brought up The Linden Huntley I thought I might as well have a look at the 2003 series to see were they all are now.
There were 60 runners in the heats , of those 9 last raced at 2yrs , 10 last raced at 3yrs , 9 last raced at 4yrs, 13 last raced at 5yrs, 9 last raced at 6yrs, 3 last raced at 7yrs, 3 last raced at 8yrs,
3 last raced at 9yrs, 1 last raced at 10. That is 42 or 70% that did not race past 5yrs even worse stats then the Bathurst series just 2 months later. Which one would conclude that the earlier
you start them the less time they race. That is why in my yearly quandary that I referred to earlier was about Bathurst and not Bulli as I would never be even thinking about pushing my 2yr olds to race in jan or feb
Your intimate knowledge is on full display brendan[/QUOTE]
Which part? My 80% figure or not bothering to look up th actual Bohemia Crystal prizemoney? Or perhaps those M0 and M1-M2 finals weren't 25K. How dare I get the prizemoney wrong.
On the 80% figure. I might have overstated it a little bit but normally there are about 7 heats (7x10=70). 10 in final plus 10 in consolation = 20. So 50 are left in the consolations. 50/70 is what 70%. I'll do better to make sure my % or stakesmoney is spot on next time.[/QUOTE]
Sorry Brendan,
been away for a while, just not sure about the point you were trying to make lining up Bathurst non finalists with the Bohemia Chrystal?
Honestly this all seems to have gotten out of hand a bit, my initial comment on this thread was about giving trainers the opportunity to better place horses in order for the long suffering owners to get a return.
I happened to mention my opinion on 2YO racing and where the impetus came from for ever increasing prizemoney for babies and it has gone from there to this, which, to be honest, everyone will have an opinion which they are gunna find hard to prove.
the one thing that I have enjoyed about this site (in my limited exposure) is the passion that the folks have.. whether we agree or not.
I'm sure we will all learn a bit from each other a long the way and learning is,in my opinion one of the great things in life..you never stop doing it until you stop breathing.
Cheers,
Dan
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