See you in Romper RoomOriginally Posted by David Summers
Their is a code of practice in this year i believe it had to be signed and sent back with the license renewal so i was told.
Have whoever you want on but don't ever have yourself on
See you in Romper Room
[VVV] You know I don't like Cats.Come on Jaimie, surely my reply was worthy of at least a wry smile
Regards
Mark
Thank you for the kind words David.
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Jamie the days you speak of are long gone back in the good old days if you applied for a licence and the ruling authority did not want to give it to you or not not renew it so be it.
Gai Waterhouse changed that when she took the AJC as it was then on, when they would not licence her because she lived with Robbie, so those days are over.
I pretty sure you can not get even a strappers licence in either code in NSW without a criminal record check at least with the NSW police, you can check it out when you head to Meredith street to watch the movie I recommended.
CONTROLS
Hi Tangles, you make some good points. I have a few questions around controls. Where were they? Why did so many people in HRNSW know which horses were going to get swabbed beforehand? Why did O'Tool and Bentley need to know? Why didn't the HRNSW randomly change the swabbing schedule at the last moment to catch out this type of corruption? The system was so predictable and therefore rorted. Yes it is easy to say in hindsight, however there were rumors about this activity beforehand and one easy way to act on them would have been to mix up the schedule at the last moment.
Gents...please! My sincere apologies to you 2minuteman, my response was about Ron's question about the post put up by Alex123
Originally Posted by alex 123
Hi there, just reading all the information that TripleV123 has written over the last 3 mths.
You could be a steward Triple, but Im sure you drink milk out of a saucer. I think your a big cat.
Jamie why don't you apply for a trainers licence.
Jamie why don't you apply for a drivers licence.
You have NO ability with horses.
Just stick to pouring beers Jamie
I thought that sounded a bit like Ringman having a go at Jamie! and Ron was too!
My apologies if Ive offended you Ron that was definitley not the intention.
Cheers,
Dan
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Thanks for the thought Greg, s'pose I was looking for that coming at some stage and so just to clear the air.....none of the things one thinks of when ones mind is in the gutter. It's a product support role with the world's market leader in lubricants for mining, industry and transport.
Kind a job you don't get rusty at!
I think I'll delete that detail from the profile it's bound to cause me angst again isn't it?
Cheers,
Dan
The reason Paul O'Toole had to know was that as starter he is the one to clear horses to pre race warm up, if a horse is to pre race blood tested it can not warm up first as it renders the swab useless.
Looking at the meetings already listed I think you will find they were meetings where one of the two stewards either Bentley or O'Toole were in charge.
The only way would have been to not have them make the decisions on which horses to swab, if HRNSW knew enough to do that well they would not have been working at all.
As soon as HRNSW had any thing like proof the acted put the allegations to the accused and they resigned.
I have done some ruff calculations to show why it was not that easy to identify any pattern of horses not swabbed from raw data.
As I understand it the swab selection process in NSW at the time allowed the chief steward at the meeting to select 3 winners from 8 races to be post race tested (not considering HP or now Menangle where each winner is swabbed) this leaves approximately 50 winners a week untested in NSW, at 4.5 weeks a month, on average this is 225 winners a month not swabbed.
I do not think in those circumstances missing one post race a month would be hard to hide from your superiors.
Now lets examine TCO2 testing say an average of 70 runners per meeting (again discount HP or Menangle where more are tested up to 25% of the runners) TCO2 testing was conducted at about 70% of meetings at about 6 runners a meeting so it is then only 36 runners a week tested from 700 runners if you do the maths that is 3150 runners a month again not difficult to hide the missing of one, two or even three bloods a month in these circumstances.
I am not sure how anyone could identify a pattern emerging , there are just too many variables.
I am told it was part of the plan to also to test other stable runners who were not "helped" so again no pattern emerged because it looked like the Trainer was being tested all the time.
At most meetings in NSW there are only two stewards one has to make the decisions which horses to swab weather it be pre or post race.
We should also remember there have been in NSW over the past few years a number of Trainers disqualified for TCO2 positives after post race two hour blood tests were ordered by vigilant stewards who smelt a rat on the night or day as it may be, ironically one of the Trainers to be disqualified in those circumstances has already been charged in this investigation.
Its needle in haystack stuff without the whistle blower that led to the phone use and money trail.
Last edited by Thevoiceofreason; 11-30-2011 at 09:34 PM.
Danno , it's probably best to leave your occupation blank. Some others on the forums post their occupation as a "joke" occupation ( I've got no problems with that - good for a laugh) but I think it might be best to remove it in your case.
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