BOOM.....McCarthy Positive.

[murray green]

I just came home from work and WOW the rumours were spot on . I suppose the Luke supporters will try to use the Force and come up with excuses . You guys impress me with your loyalty . I'm not going to knock Luke but he will still win the premiership and won't the presentation night have its uncomfortable moments . Looking at the facts from another side . There hasn't been a positive to this steroid for years and all of a sudden we have one and , if rumours are right , another from a close friend . That just doesn't add up . I hope the supporters don't try and justify this IF he is found guilty . If he is lets hope he's man enough to fess up .

[NormanS]

I was hoping that the roumor mill had got this one wrong. LM Had (has) the harness world at his feet and was bringing professionalism to NSW that was badly needed. However...

Secondly, Boldenone is a natural substance which often occurs in stallions. Mach Wiper just happens to be a stallion
...

Not sure about this part - (natural substance)
These would suggest a synthetic version is available.

http://stablemade.com/hproducts/drugs/Equipoise.htm

This was just one of many sites that stated Boldenone Undecylenate is a synthetic. A synthetic actually developed to be an injectable.
or
http://www.steroid.com/Equipoise.php
"Equipoise was actually created while attempting to make a product which would be be a long acting injectable d-bol (Methandrostenolone).


Feel free to correct me if evidence says im wrong

[mightymo]

Norman


I need to correct you!

From:

http://www.losalamitos.com/pdfs/chrb/CHRBAdvisories.pdf


"Threshold levels have been established for testosterone, boldenone, nandrolone, and
stanzolol. The first three are naturally occurring, also known as endogenous,
in the horse. Testosterone is present in intact males, gelded males, and
fillies. Nandrolone and boldenone are naturally occurring in non-gelded
males"

[Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild]

Out of all the winners he's had over the last 12 months, why has he had only 1 positve?

[murray green]

Equipoise is the brand name for the steroid hormone boldenone, a product used mostly in cows and horses to improve their lean body mass. Equipoise has a number of uses for bodybuilders and athletes, from stimulating EPO (erythropoietin) production to increase the number of red blood cells (thereby increasing endurance), to gaining muscle mass easily (indirectly by increasing the appetite), to allowing a user to "cut" bodyweight by leaning out the muscle tissue.


In boldenone is an interesting property - it stimulates the release of erythropoietin in the kidneys, which eventually leads to an increase in the number of red blood cells.

Interesting reading........also boldenone is the preferred steroid chosen by the endurance athlete.

Studies done on young horses show that natural levels can not be detected unless injected. Not sure about older horses.

[NormanS]

Have edited (although all the information i can find talks about boldenone Undecylenate being similar to the natural steroid Testosterone), but this paragraph from the same is important and should not be ignored: http://www.losalamitos.com/pdfs/chrb/CHRBAdvisories.pdf

The CHRB’s anabolic steroid regulations are modified from the RMTC model rules,
which in turn are based on long established international regulations for anabolic steroids.
Testosterone, nandrolone, and boldenone are endogenous anabolic steroids. Endogenous means
they occur naturally. The normal levels of these endogenous anabolic steroids have been well
established in the horses for urine and the regulatory threshold levels for a violation have a wide
safety margin. Horses that have not been administered anabolic steroids are not in danger of a
positive. However, boldenone is manufactured as Equipoise®; nandrolone is manufactured as
Durabolin®; and testosterone is manufactured as generic testosterone.

Also, from the article "Normal Steroid Levels in Racehorses"

http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle....#ixzz1mFxE3uyr

Boldenone was not detected in any horses. Moeller noted that any boldenone level is highly suggestive of steroid administration.

[Danno]

Have edited (although all the information i can find talks about boldenone Undecylenate being derived from Testosterone), but this paragraph from the same is important and should not be ignored: http://www.losalamitos.com/pdfs/chrb/CHRBAdvisories.pdf

The CHRB’s anabolic steroid regulations are modified from the RMTC model rules,
which in turn are based on long established international regulations for anabolic steroids.
Testosterone, nandrolone, and boldenone are endogenous anabolic steroids. Endogenous means
they occur naturally. The normal levels of these endogenous anabolic steroids have been well
established in the horses for urine and the regulatory threshold levels for a violation have a wide
safety margin. Horses that have not been administered anabolic steroids are not in danger of a
positive. However, boldenone is manufactured as Equipoise®; nandrolone is manufactured as
Durabolin®; and testosterone is manufactured as generic testosterone.

Norman


I need to correct you!

From:

http://www.losalamitos.com/pdfs/chrb/CHRBAdvisories.pdf


"Threshold levels have been established for testosterone, boldenone, nandrolone, and
stanzolol. The first three are naturally occurring, also known as endogenous,
in the horse. Testosterone is present in intact males, gelded males, and
fillies. Nandrolone and boldenone are naturally occurring in non-gelded
males"

Harvey and Norman,
You guys have both sourced your data from the same place but end up with competing arguments???
I would like to state for the record, I have never bought into the LM debate, despite having my own opinions which are based on observations only and that is why my opinions have not been aired on this forum, 'cos their based on observations only.
Now back to the inconsistencies with the opinions on the data.. Question... are you BOTH telling the whole truth?? or did one of you miss a bit of vital information?

once again I have my suspicions.....

[NormanS]

wrote someting then changed my mind

[mightymo]

Harvey and Norman,
You guys have both sourced your data from the same place but end up with competing arguments???
I would like to state for the record, I have never bought into the LM debate, despite having my own opinions which are based on observations only and that is why my opinions have not been aired on this forum, 'cos their based on observations only.
Now back to the inconsistencies with the opinions on the data.. Question... are you BOTH telling the whole truth?? or did one of you miss a bit of vital information?

once again I have my suspicions.....

I urge you to contact your vet/s like i did(not Luke's vets, but vets I know and use around the country) and ask them questions

[Viv Strangman]

I cant believe some of the postings on here. I was always under the impression that you were innocent until proven guilty but sadly not in Australia. Just from an outside prospective it would seem far from an open and shut case. Boldenone remains in the body a long time and for the horse in question to race either side of the *POSTIVE* and not have further positives tests for Boldenone raises serious questions. What would trigger a higher reading on one occassion and not on the others. Is it possible to have a postive one time and negative the next when Boldenone is in your system. I will leave that to the experts to fathom but what I wont do is condem someone until all the facts have been heard in the approiate forum. Once all the information is out in the public domain , I will then be able to make an informed decision on the rights and wrongs of this case. To do so before then is to do so from a position of ignorance.