2yo Fillies in NSW. The saga continues.

[Lethal]

Jamie
You still will not address the issue of cost for everyone that trains outside a reasonable radius of Menangle.
To answer your question about moving to a barn at Menangle. I can't think of one reason why a country/provincial trainer would contemplate giving up an ideal training/living environment to move to a big barn comlex at Menangle. Who's putting up the dollars. It sounds like you, with all your available horses are looking for a trainer and you are going to bankroll him/her.
GOOD LUCK

[dizzy]

Jamie you are behind the times. Wally is no longer at Bankstown and I will ask Peter to verify what you claim he has said to you. You may see it as amusing but your name dropping tactics do become quite tiresome. How about remaining on topic. It wasn't my suggestion that the 2yo fillies heats and finals be such a "wealthy" event but that they be programmed on a local level to minimise costs. In time it may grow into more but in reality only the winner with the current prizemoney distributions is in a position to come out ahead finacially when anyone has to travel long distances to race. That will remain a fact unless there are changes to prizemoney distribution or travel subsidies that reflect travel distances.

[Danno]

G'day Dan,
In the big scheme of things empathy or that which you obviously see as lackthereof is probably not what you should be worried about.
Apathy is and has always been the Industry's biggest enemy and it will be very soon once again used against us.
For instance, in the not too distant future it's evens into tomato sauce there will be some Trainers, especially small team, part-time & country based ones, who scream long and loud when Centralised Programming is finally introduced here in NSW and they're left with a choice to either go racing wherever the events for their horses are programmed during that week...or otherwise have their horse/s stay at home in the barn until one closer to home comes along.
They'll once again scream long and loud and rightly so AFTER the shut out of on-course training/stabling becomes apparent by way of bigger local, interstate and trans Tasman operations monopolising all of the available space.
Both these things are real issues and both already in train and as sure as night follows day both of them WILL happen, it is only a matter of time.
Centralised Programming is one that I happen to agree with, I'm looking forward to it especially so from the perspective of fillies & mares racing, because I think it will ultimately benefit the majority of the Industry...however I am also aware that there'll be some that it will not suit and there will be some who will down right despise it.
The expected on course stabling shut out, of course I absolutely abhore the very real prospect of that happening...however you watch & wait.
As per usual nobody with any sort of a stake in it and especially so an opposing view will do a damned thing until it is all over bar the shouting and they're in a position where they can't do a damned thing to change it.
The smoke and mirrors and slight of hand that has become attached to the subject of on-course training/stabling in particular...it has got to be seen and heard to be believed. So then, I've lifted the sheet of corrugated iron up on that one...who's going to be there to stomp on the greeblies as they try to run away?

Jamie,
this thread is getting considerably off the original topic, thanks for the lifting of said corrugated iron and I may well be a complete and utter fool but if you run the numbers on current Metro meetings you wouldn't get 4 races let alone 8 or nine if you left out the travellers, don't get me wrong I hear the message I just think thats a possibility in ten years but not imminent. Having said that I would hope ( as far as know ) a world first as such in restriction of trade would crumble at any decent legal challenge.

Getting back to the subject on 2yo fillies races, yes they need to be supported by noms but you can't expect people to "throw in" their babies for a run to prop field up, there is no way in the bloody world I would do it, and some might, but the majority of trainers are more concerned about the horses' future to do that.

cheers,
Dan

[Triple V]

?????????Good God. I give up Dot, I give up. You've battered me into submission. I have a bit of joke with you and indicate the same and what happens? You go all bitter and twisted like you've been force fed half a grapefruit. Fair dinkum. Lucky that I didn't mention the blue lotion.

[Triple V]

Jamie,
this thread is getting considerably off the original topic, thanks for the lifting of said corrugated iron and I may well be a complete and utter fool but if you run the numbers on current Metro meetings you wouldn't get 4 races let alone 8 or nine if you left out the travellers, don't get me wrong I hear the message I just think thats a possibility in ten years but not imminent. Having said that I would hope ( as far as know ) a world first as such in restriction of trade would crumble at any decent legal challenge.

Getting back to the subject on 2yo fillies races, yes they need to be supported by noms but you can't expect people to "throw in" their babies for a run to prop field up, there is no way in the bloody world I would do it, and some might, but the majority of trainers are more concerned about the horses' future to do that.

cheers,
Dan

[VVV] G'day Dan,
Rightly or wrongly depending on your point of view, it's all going to happen and sooner rather than later too...you can bet your house on it. That's the way the powers that be want to play it. It'll fix some things that have long needed fixing and it'll bugger other things, probably not intentionally, but it will. The 2yo fillies thing will continue to be a bone of contention, I seriously doubt it will ever be what either of us think that it should be, the 3yo fillies cop it even worse and 4yo & older mares have more chance of getting hit by lightning than getting regular starts against their own sex. That doesn't mean we should throw it into the too hard basket however. We'll agree to disagree huh? regards Jaimie

[clumsy]

Alabar Breeders Challange at Young next Friday has 11 noms. for the fillies division and 15 for the colts and geldings,these are $15000 races.

[aussiebreno]

Alabar Breeders Challange at Young next Friday has 11 noms. for the fillies division and 15 for the colts and geldings,these are $15000 races.

And then 2x 3yos carded for Leeton on Sat night. Doubt both will stand up. Although without seeing Young noms my guess is many will be visitors.

[Triple V]

jamie
you still will not address the issue of cost for everyone that trains outside a reasonable radius of menangle.
[vvv] well lee, perhaps cost is not the factor you seem to think it is because they seem to be able to get there with every other grade of horse except the 2yos and in particular 2yo fillies. Riddle me that, batman. I'm buggered if i know the answer.
even now, this coming friday...with a 22k metro grade 2yo race that has the top end horses intentionally conditioned out and all the added fun of the fair by way of pdc's and pds'..they only get 4 noms and the race gets canned.
so far by way of excuses from various people there has been...
'they're not ready (17 2yo fillies accepted to race against the colts & geldings over the preceeding 4 days so i assume that they must have been ready) ;

'there can only be one winner (there's a revelation if ever there was one, jesus wept);

'only making up the numbers' (there were 2 noms in the race in question);

'the costs vs prizemoney doesn't justify it ' (arguably applicable to a 5.5k race perhaps but what's the excuse for a 15k race at tamworth or the abovementioned 22k race at menangle????)

...and the list goes on and on & each time when one gets pinned down the goal posts are moved and it's something else that's stopping them from coming. one by one however those excuses are exposed because one by one race conditions are written & prizemoney is made available that is too good to ignore...but ignore it they do.

to answer your question about moving to a barn at menangle. I can't think of one reason why a country/provincial trainer would contemplate giving up an ideal training/living environment to move to a big barn comlex at menangle. Who's putting up the dollars. It sounds like you, with all your available horses are looking for a trainer and you are going to bankroll him/her.
Good luck.
[vvv] ground control to major tom. Ground control to major tom.
fair dinkum lee, do you actually read what i post in any replies to you or do you prefer to just read stuff into what i post?
nobody's being asked or urged to move specifically to menangle...jesus wept. Rather, a number of people including myself are concerned that when the on-course stabling set to be built at each of the proposed regional centres...menangle, goulburn, newcastle, bathurst, wagga etc. ...the space in those stables will have already been taken up largely or completly by large local, interstate and trans tasman operations & so aspiring local trainers with the 1-2-3 horse stables and especially those who are starting off and so in most cases cannot afford to set up their own facilities (which, as i stated earlier was the very specific, stated and initial intention of these proposed on course training/stabling facilities) will be unlikely to get a look in. I don't know how much clearer i can make it.

vvv

[Triple V]

Alabar Breeders Challange at Young next Friday has 11 noms. for the fillies division and 15 for the colts and geldings,these are $15000 races.

[VVV] Perhaps there is some light at the end of the tunnel?

[dizzy]

Jamie regardless of what you call excuses it will always ultimately be the choice of connections as to where they nominate.

As to training centres do you believe it is in trainers and clubs best interests that these be co located?
From my experience training in at a venue that is practically co located the advantages are;
Reduced costs if you are racing at the same location.

The disadvantage is unless the racetrack and training facilities can operate autonomously the requirements of each impact negatively on each other. The need of trainers to utilise the track daily impacts on the clubs ability to use their facility to generate other income and the clubs need to generate income results in the track being closed inconvienicing trainers.