G HALL Jnr driving style

[eliteblood]

This discussion has probably had its time but I half agree with Steve. IMO ITMQ didn't win because of any sensational drive by Jnr. He won because he was a few lengths superior to any other horse in the race.
I think it was a good drive and he made all the right decisions but I can't see where he outsmarted anyone.

[The Form Student]

This discussion has probably had its time but I half agree with Steve. IMO ITMQ didn't win because of any sensational drive by Jnr. He won because he was a few lengths superior to any other horse in the race.
I think it was a good drive and he made all the right decisions but I can't see where he outsmarted anyone.

Thanks, Trev........the man he mentions BPH "WAS" responsible for some remarkable drives and did outsmart his opposition on Koala King and Weona Warrior........not to mention "the drive of the century" from Howard James aboard Thorate, also from the BPH stable.
I can't believe Sabilize still holds the track record at Bankstown..............I was there that night!

[eliteblood]

Thanks, Trev........the man he mentions BPH "WAS" responsible for some remarkable drives and did outsmart his opposition on Koala King and Weona Warrior........not to mention "the drive of the century" from Howard James aboard Thorate, also from the BPH stable.
I can't believe Sabilize still holds the track record at Bankstown..............I was there that night!

I think that was one of Sabilize's best wins. A long time ago now but I still remember it well.

[The Form Student]

I think that was one of Sabilize's best wins. A long time ago now but I still remember it well.

I have been looking through my old race books, but haven't found it yet...........it would have the sectionals in it!

[Danno]

G'day Ash,
I know from you're earlier post GH Jnr is not your fav person, but that aside, there is a push out rule for a couple of reasons..to give all horses a chance and reduce the griping from the punters about "the trotters always get boxed in". It has been about for quite a few years, in NSW since around ther mid to late 80's if my memory serves me.
Before that it had been in existence in New Zealand for decades! I remember as a kid watching Phil Coulson pushing out from the rails and winning the 1971 Christchurch Inter final on Junior's Image, brilliant drive!! Subsequently lost the race to Stella Frost ( Doody Townley)due to a hotly disputed but nontheless upheld positive swab.

I can tell you from experience, if the inside horse has a head to neck advantage over the outside horse, he will usually succeed in getting out, if the outside horse has the same advantage you are hard pressed to budge him, however if the two horses are level, which ever horse is going the strongest will have it's way, if the outside horse ( in this case Dasher VC) had a bucket full of petrol in the tank he would have held his ground.

I am neither a fan nor a detractor of GH Jnr, but I enjoyed watching his drive... there are some who attempt this move and cause havoc because they try and run out at 90 degrees, I thought he caused as little interference to the other horse as possible while giving his own horse every chance within the rules..doing his job I'd call it.

Cheers,

Dan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EiBa...0&feature=plcp

[broncobrad]

Dan, I get sucked into those old videos everytime, start watching one and then another and so on and lose track of time completely. Trevor would probably get a kick out of a couple with Sabilize going around in years gone by. But funny how things change over the years. The positive was for caffeine and they copped 7 years, reduced to 5 years. Forty years later its Boldenone and they get 6 and 9 months and one of the offenders is screaming blue murder. How did the disqualification periods become so pathetic.

[teecee]

By reducing the standard of proof and using a charge of absolute liability.
7 years for drug administration down to 6 / 9 months for your horse having a drug in its system. (how it got there is not relevant to proving the charge).

[broncobrad]

Cheers Teecee. It seems like what was once a high risk offence that you would get smashed for with a great big club has now blossomed into a breeding ground for anyone who wants to try to gain an unfair advantage and when caught are delivered a tsk tsk, naughty naughty, nice try but bad luck paltry penalty. Heres a six months holiday to see where you went wrong and try improve your performance enhancing techniques.

Not a strong enough deterrent to put off those seeking to gain that illegal head start I would think.

[Danno]

By reducing the standard of proof and using a charge of absolute liability.
7 years for drug administration down to 6 / 9 months for your horse having a drug in its system. (how it got there is not relevant to proving the charge).

Fully respect your opinion Tony but I dont think the standard of proof has changed at all. Phil Coulson, a multi award winning trainer, ( a record some of our current "celebrity trainers" could only wish to emulate, never, ever, said , or confessed to the administartion of ANYTHING to Juniors Image.
Having said that, I have to agree with Brad, the penalties are pathetic! It makes you wonder!!!

By the way gents, I put that up to display the beautiful push out by Phil at about the 600m, now Brad your a punter who likes to see his horse/stake given every chance, how can you say there should not be a push out rule if your on the one thats pushing out?? The horse is getting it's chance, and thats what everybody wants, I think.

Cheers,
Dan

[broncobrad]

Only a small punter Dan, neither here nor there. We should get the same protection as the giants. I took exception to his 90degree right hand turn. I can accept your push out rule when applied correctly. You have explained the finer points of using this manouvre extremely well in this thread and no need to rehash them. Your point is well and truly proven. Cheers.