What a MASSIVE WANK!

[aussiebreno]

[VVV] G'day Mitch,

I don't have any problem with trying something innovative....but for mine there is a vast difference to be had between innovative & different.
For mine, this is not in any way, shape or form innovative....chop some 609m off the previously shortest/standard distance, put them all in Dog regalia and presto, look how innovative we are. No, rather it is just different for the sake of different being cloaked as innovative.

There's only one aspect I can see as able to be worked upon, improved & incorporated in the longer term picture of Harness Racing & that is the introduction of LARGE numbers on similarly good sized colour coded saddle cloths. Makes perfect sense.

On that score, interestingly when looking on via Sky generally it's impossible to see the TB's numbers in the running and NEVER with the naked eye trackside until they're well inside the last furlong but not a word there? Hmmm. I wonder...what sort of an answer do you think they'd get from Gerry Harvey or Singo by way of telling them they had to race a 2000m horse over a 5 furlong scamper whilst wearing 1 the Red or whatever?

On that Dog Colours aspect for Drivers, I call an ABJECT DISGRACE on that because, like their TB counterparts, Harness Owners should always have available to them the option of their driver carrying their own colours.
I see this sort of thing as the thin edge of the wedge.
It should be noted that down in VIC, Minty Man Number 1 dutifully banged on about this & similar TAB agenda serving crap for years and was ultimately rewarded with a slot at TAB Sportsbet...much like Bob Carr getting a slot at Macqaurie Bank, one can only assume for all assistances rendered during his tenure as NSW PM.
For mine, Owners Colours are an absolute non-negotiable & should this ridiculous push continue down its path...from my cold, dead fist those colours will have to be dragged.

As for those at HRNSW having the courage to admit they got it wrong, they're smarter than this and I think that they knew that it was wrong right from the outset.
I would much rather they had the courage to admit that they knew it was a waste of time and effort BUT the TAB strokers, both individual and collective, have leant on them & they simply acquiesced rather than standing firm, straight out calling Bullshit on the idea and telling them to go shove it up their clackers.

FYI John Singleton actually has/had some pacers. Darcy Harpley from Temora has had the training duties.

[dizzy]

Agree Jamie large numbers on colour coded saddlecloths would be a much better innovation. Gives us two options to help people/punters identify runners-colour and number. Similarly our graphics on the screen during the running of races with names and driver colours is very detailed but is it best? Can most of our customers see clearly enough to identify this information readily from the screen or should we along with the colour coded large numbers go to the transponder technology used elsewhere that displays the position of runners in the race in a continuously updated graphic display? The race caller of course continues to use names and a narrative of position in the race. I don't know what the answer is to which option is better but surely there are methods to survey our customers, the punter, to find out. This is the sort of innovation we should be seeking out.

I'm not at all in favour of allocating "dog colours" to drivers as I think along with recognisable horses being of benefit to turnover I think punters also being able to recognise drivers is of benefit to turnover. Whilst Jamie and others are passionate about owner colours I would quite happily use driver colours on my horses if it would assist our income from turnover.

[Triple V]

G'day Dot,
There are a few reasons why I am so passionate about retaining Owners Colours and therefore stomping all over, pounding into the ground and obliterating any and all attempts to make it otherwise...many of them personal/sentimental ones I admit...but not the least of which is the simple fact that when a horse wins, the Trainer & the Driver will get nearly all if not all the attention/exposure/focus in Industry & associated media...while all poor old mate Owner gets is a quick happy snap beside his horse with the majority of those assembled trackside turning to each other and asking "Who's that fat bastard?" or similar.
The one small amount of solice afforded them an Owners is to have their horse race in their colours...and even then here we are, at a point and place in time where clearly some absolute dickhead in a pre-fab cubicle somewhere in the TAB Offices at ULTIMO is trying his level best to take that away.
As I said, from my dead, clenched fist...

[aussiebreno]

G'day Dot,
There are a few reasons why I am so passionate about retaining Owners Colours and therefore stomping all over, pounding into the ground and obliterating any and all attempts to make it otherwise...many of them personal/sentimental ones I admit...but not the least of which is the simple fact that when a horse wins, the Trainer & the Driver will get nearly all if not all the attention/exposure/focus in Industry & associated media...while all poor old mate Owner gets is a quick happy snap beside his horse with the majority of those assembled trackside turning to each other and asking "Who's that fat bastard?" or similar.
The one small amount of solice afforded them an Owners is to have their horse race in their colours...and even then here we are, at a point and place in time where clearly some absolute dickhead in a pre-fab cubicle somewhere in the TAB Offices at Pyrmont is trying his level best to take that away.
As I said, from my dead, clenched fist...

Speak for yourself chubby

[broncobrad]

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Sprint lane might not be a bad idea today.

C'mon Triple, get into the spirit.

[Mitch]

No not the end of the world maybe Mitch? But some of us are pretty certain we can see it from where we are standing now

C'mon Dot... That is a ridiculous statement. Sure the industry has seen better times but to say the end is in sight is a bit silly. I don't want to engage in a debate over this because it will just go round in circles but if you honestly think that of the industry maybe you should get out before your hand is forced!

[Mitch]

[VVV] G'day Mitch,

I don't have any problem with trying something innovative....but for mine there is a vast difference to be had between innovative & different.
For mine, this is not in any way, shape or form innovative....chop some 609m off the previously shortest/standard distance, put them all in Dog regalia and presto, look how innovative we are. No, rather it is just different for the sake of different being cloaked as innovative.

There's only one aspect I can see as able to be worked upon, improved & incorporated in the longer term picture of Harness Racing & that is the introduction of LARGE numbers on similarly good sized colour coded saddle cloths. Makes perfect sense.

On that score, interestingly when looking on via Sky generally it's impossible to see the TB's numbers in the running and NEVER with the naked eye trackside until they're well inside the last furlong but not a word there? Hmmm. I wonder...what sort of an answer do you think they'd get from Gerry Harvey or Singo by way of telling them they had to race a 2000m horse over a 5 furlong scamper whilst wearing 1 the Red or whatever?

On that Dog Colours aspect for Drivers, I call an ABJECT DISGRACE on that because, like their TB counterparts, Harness Owners should always have available to them the option of their driver carrying their own colours.
I see this sort of thing as the thin edge of the wedge.
It should be noted that down in VIC, Minty Man Number 1 dutifully banged on about this & similar TAB agenda serving crap for years and was ultimately rewarded with a slot at TAB Sportsbet...much like Bob Carr getting a slot at Macqaurie Bank, one can only assume for all assistances rendered during his tenure as NSW PM.
For mine, Owners Colours are an absolute non-negotiable & should this ridiculous push continue down its path...from my cold, dead fist those colours will have to be dragged.

As for those at HRNSW having the courage to admit they got it wrong, they're smarter than this and I think that they knew that it was wrong right from the outset.
I would much rather they had the courage to admit that they knew it was a waste of time and effort BUT the TAB strokers, both individual and collective, have leant on them & they simply acquiesced rather than standing firm, straight out calling Bullshit on the idea and telling them to go shove it up their clackers.

Jaimie, love your passion. Not sure my comments prompted such a response as you have provided but if helps you get it off your chest so be it.

[Triple V]

Jaimie, love your passion. Not sure my comments prompted such a response as you have provided but if helps you get it off your chest so be it.

[VVV] No, they didn't Mitch...rather I was just clearing the air as to why I thought that way, that's all. The BIG problem is that this crap has gone viral and I hear on the grapevine that WA are going to try this same routine.

[aussiebreno]

The big question is what are the required minimum sectional times for these 1000m races?

[Triple V]

I intend to use the time that is allocated for those races as Coffee breaks in-between races at Charlton, Albion Park, Globe Derby & Pinjarra. Might even knock up a batch of Blueberry Muffins.