Lee- don't forget boldonone above the threhold in entires as well.
Mark,
As an aside to this, your remark about 'best driver' always had me wondering why if you worked out how best to train and drive a 'weak poofter' to win a race, then you would be described as 'lucky'. BUT if you put the 'pedal to the metal', as you described, on a horse that had 'help', then you were a GENIUS trainer/driver.. Go figure!
Exactly right Lee and to make things worse they make it so bloody obvious by showing off up the straight . They win by 20 odd meters and have never been closer to the fence than the death seat . A few starts later they drive them totally different because they know its all wearing off . No one says anything . There's gotta be more to it .
You're right on the money, drug testing has to be like the WDA, if you can't prove the provenance of of your horses' pre training then it should be banned until it has at least 12 weeks testing clear, before you are permitted to nominate (not just race)
DotOriginally Posted by dizzy
What you say about Vets , records ect is absolutely right no argument but I am sorry I would prefer every winner in NSW post race tested as it is in the gallops. I will bet any price you like RacingNSW did not embark on a widespread out of competition testing regime until every winner in the state was subject to a swab testing first.
No one is saying do not swab but start with the winners and perhaps beaten favorites first.
Dot and Trish
Are you two cracking jokes the reason the stewards can not do anything is because the trainer is not in breach of the rules.
They can not say under rule 500B you are charged with using steroids and because Dot and Trish and Mark do not like it you are disqualified for 12 months.
This thread has become so stupid I will not be coerced into commenting again.
The rules are the rules, are the rules, you do not have to like them but if you play in the game you play by the rules.
If you seriously think steroid use should be barred totally .... get off this thread and do some lobbying of the vets who will ultimately make the decision... seeing it took years after the thoroughbreds did it to get ulcer treatments passed I wish you luck.
Last edited by Thevoiceofreason; 07-31-2012 at 06:45 AM.
If it's o/k to play by the rules (are the rules,are the rules) and then you get caught breaching (the rules) do those persons then squeal like 'stuck pigs' and absolutely deny any knowledge how 'the rules' might have been breached.
Hi Bill . All of that is understood . The rules are what need to be changed and a thread like this is a great place to start . Getting a support base , connecting people together is how the ball can start rolling . I really don't think harness racing has got years to change . If it takes years to accept what all other sports have already done then harness racing will be finished . It would be great to see it happen but we have our exit strategy in motion anyway . Most people I talk to are doing the same .
Mark...
I have been banging away at this subject for longer than anyone including myself would really care to remember.
I have been pushing & pushing the case for an entire list of therapeutic thresholds to be put in place and also for quantitative testing to be instituted, neither of which we currently have.
This is because of my continuing belief that Trainers have, do and unless something is done will continue to get jammed up with positives for minute traces of accepted equine thereapeutic drugs which are quite clearly no longer present in pharmacologically active amounts. I am stunned that you cannot get your head around this.
Further to that, I am repeatedly on record as having done so over the years and across a number of Racing forums, both still active & subsequently defunct.
Ask around for confirmation. Ask the NSW Stewards both past and present. My stance on this subject goes back prior to the advent of the GHRRA, it goes back 3 name changes and beyond Tony Collins being the boss at the then NSW Harness Racing Authority.
It goes back beyond Luke McCarthy's High School years. It is by no means a recent thing in response to recent happenings, despite what you might so erronesously care to infer Mark.
Now if you've got the stones then swing them in the wind. Come right out and say so. Call me a Shill for the bad guys, call me a shonk and pony up your evidence of same. I dare you.
Otherwise, shut your pie hole. I resent the inference.
If you had instead been around for long enough or if otherwise you had done your homework thoroughly enough and bothered to ask around then you would already know this to have been the case.
Aim up on the rights and the wrongs of the subject by all means but please...don't run that Mother Duck crap at me...because mate, you are just plain wrong.
Whilst this thread is of interest to many in Harness racing and most have very definitive individual views on the topic posters are reminded that this is a forum using the written word in the English Language.
Some points you should remember...
What you write is there for all to see and read and is there for eternity as opposed to what you may say verbally.
Please stick to the topic and leave the personalities out of it. Some posts are becoming quite personal and as such irrelevant to the topic.
Some of the language being used in this thread is becoming more than "Colourful". When posting please give consideration to what you are writing and whether the language is appropriate to a forum of mature persons. ..i.e Can you write your opinion in a more mature / moderate manner.
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