Penrith Race 4 19/7/12

[Triple V]

Well stop being so bloody cryptic VVV. My bad. The way I read it, it was a crack at the usual suspects (AKA moi and the like) getting onto the usual bandwagon, blowing the whistles and honking the horns when we are getting served up what can only be termed questionable performances. Still, take a freeby at me at my expense but take into account your "Jatz's" welfare were mentioned in my prayers. We are due a Youtube 'Special'

[VVV] Hahahahaha. That's a fair call.
If it's any consolation I get that from Mrs. Triple too sometimes. I reference useless stuff I think everyone remembers only to find I'm the only one who remembers it.
I was very disappointed too because for the younger set here I specifically tossed in a more recent reference by way of 'Burn The Floor' too. My initial thought was to go with an Arthur Murray Dance School floor chart.
In all seriousness though, today's Punters are a very bloodly mild old lot as compared to days gone by. These days, and even if they all get handled like the taps in public dunny you'll rarely if ever even hear a verbal from the crowd. Back when I was a kid they'd burned the Grandstand down. I wasn't at Penrith on Thursday night but years ago I reckon that would have been worth at least a couple of hot pies launched over the fence.

[Danno]

[VVV] Hahahahaha. That's a fair call.
If it's any consolation I get that from Mrs. Triple too sometimes. I reference useless stuff I think everyone remembers only to find I'm the only one who remembers it.
I was very disappointed too because for the younger set here I specifically tossed in a more recent reference by way of 'Burn The Floor' too. My initial thought was to go with an Arthur Murray Dance School floor chart.
In all seriousness though, today's Punters are a very bloodly mild old lot as compared to days gone by. These days, and even if they all get handled like the taps in public dunny you'll rarely if ever even hear a verbal from the crowd. Back when I was a kid they'd burned the Grandstand down. I wasn't at Penrith on Thursday night but years ago I reckon that would have been worth at least a couple of hot pies launched over the fence.

Back in "the good old days" every time you got beat on a "shortie" ( in those days a shortie was 10/9 , thats $2.20 folks), the mugs in the bleachers, that being the ledger at HP or any other designated "pisspot spot" at any track anywhere, you got a serve off the 50 cents each way experts, pure human theatre...I always got a cackle out of it, nowadays they'd chuck the poor silly buggers out before anyone gets a laugh out of it....so nobody is "offended"...it offends me that this spontaneous interaction is no longer possible due the way our world is going, in those days you worked out "how to get a laugh" rather than "how to get offended".
I was often called a "deigo" by one silly bugger at Newcastle, with a surname of Gibson, I'm sure that was the first thing that sprang into his tiny mind, but he still called me a "deigo bastard" every chance he got... Ive never really asked a lot of others about their favourite hecklers, maybe I should, could be a book in it I reckon.!

[Triple V]

I remember the throng of the needy and greedy who'd assemble every Friday Night on 'The Steps Of Knowledge' at HP used to yell out "Coma!" to Dave Aiken when he was racing a big team there. One pretty big guy I recall also ran with a weekly & ultimately as regular as clockwork expression of his dislike for Andrew Peace. This he did by way of shouting "%$#! off back down the Hume you &%$#ing Mexican" as he went by in a prelim.
On the flipside, I recall Colgate Chris attracted a group of half arse wanna be gangsters & assorted feux hard case supporters who'd take it personally if someone went down to the rails and gave their pin-up boy a serve. I had a real go at him one night after they tag teamed Sabilize with Luck And Laughing & Exceptionally Smooth. Disgraceful. A number of them began to yell out and walk in my direction so I aimed up on them as well, pointing out what I felt were the many & varied faults in their paternal & maternal pedigrees & those of their associates.
It's pretty funny looking back but it wasn't at the time. IMO that was by far & away the worst, the most blatant & subsequently the worst ever to go unpunished team drive in the history of Harness Racing in Australia. Trevor would definitely recall that race. If ever there was a reason for an on-course riot. As I said, by and large today's Punters are a very meek & mild.

[broncobrad]

Steven Golding gets 28 days for what is now called an unacceptable drive...seems his unblemished NZ record may have been taken into account. Reckon he should buy himself a lottery ticket after that performance

http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=99478

The race 4 result is here http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-re...E190712&ms=nsw complete with vision.

There is nothing in the article to suggest any further inquiries are proceeding.

[Triple V]

That's a manifestly light on senetnce for a stunt that, for me at least, was right up there with Evil Knievel jumping Snake River Canyon in a rocket.


Notably, where's Mark and Dot and Dan and Lee and their individual and collective outrage?
For some reason they're not having much to say about this one, in fact their silence is thus far...deafening.
Ground Control to Major Tom? Can ya hear me Major Tom?

[Danno]

I reckon you slotted that one in just before going "ni ni's" Jamie, probably on a bit of a loose rein too, if my guess is correct.
you really shouldn't categorise people mate just because they don't happen to agree with you, there has been a fair bit said on another thtread about another subject, but to put a few of us in an "outrage" basket, simply because we have had similar views quite different to your own is, IMO getting a bit personal.
Just for the record, no, I don't think in this particular case, the penalty appears to fit the situation, but I wasn't privvy to the details of the enquiry, were you? The trainer's evidence in this case would have been critical to the charge laid and obviously so would the evidence put forward by both the drivers, did you sit through that?
On face value, the incident looked quite suss and at least an enquiry was held, charges laid and a penalty imposed. All without hard evidence like a positive swab, the like of which you have been defending, so if there are any inconsistencies here Triple they are yours by my reckoning.

Cheers,
Dan

[aussiebreno]

As I said on another forum, it just stinks team driving is such a hard thing to prove. So in that situation stewards are probably better off trying to find a betting account, but alas that is also easy to hide.

He got given an unsatisfactory drive, so 28 days I guess is the upper end of a sentence for that charge.

How about not giving horse every chance to win? Lead and won in 2 or 3 recent starts at the track seemed to be a winning tactic?
Failure to indicate a change of tactics? (Whether you agree with that rule or not).

[Thevoiceofreason]

As a matter of interest all...... the last one of this type of charge in NSW with very similar particulars, was at HP a couple of years back on two Michael Russo trained runners the driver who surrendered on a last start winner got I think six weeks.

Lost on appeal the judge said the decision was made too early in the race to be unacceptable at the time it was made.

So as Brendan said knowing and proving are unfortunately two very different things.

[Triple V]

I reckon you slotted that one in just before going "ni ni's" Jamie, probably on a bit of a loose rein too, if my guess is correct.
you really shouldn't categorise people mate just because they don't happen to agree with you, there has been a fair bit said on another thtread about another subject, but to put a few of us in an "outrage" basket, simply because we have had similar views quite different to your own is, IMO getting a bit personal.
Just for the record, no, I don't think in this particular case, the penalty appears to fit the situation, but I wasn't privvy to the details of the enquiry, were you? The trainer's evidence in this case would have been critical to the charge laid and obviously so would the evidence put forward by both the drivers, did you sit through that?
On face value, the incident looked quite suss and at least an enquiry was held, charges laid and a penalty imposed. All without hard evidence like a positive swab, the like of which you have been defending, so if there are any inconsistencies here Triple they are yours by my reckoning.

Cheers,
Dan

[VVV] The point I was trying to make was that sort of crap is a far bigger threat to the future of Harness Racing as a wagering medium than any old mate with a syringe will ever be.
Yet the drug related thread got Christ knows how many replies of outrage and this one appears to have comparitively scored 4/5ths of sweet FA. That's what I was getting at Dan.
Again I'll ask...where's your outrage and where's that of your compatriots for that which is the real threat to wagering/punter confidence? Any Punter worth his salt would have thrown his form guide in the bin and gone home.

[Lethal]

Jamie,
The last time Mark & I checked our website it does seem to have a lot of hits from one entity, wonder who?
It would seem that your crusade may be likened to that of 'Richard the Lionheart against the infidels' (bought that off ourselves, another $1 wasted)
because this thread seems to becoming off topic. Of course this issue is one of extreme importance, however it is a specific industry regulatory one. Drug abuse is more a governance problem which encompasses ALL sporting controlling bodies.