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    I like seeding because I think that will lead to more even heats. For me, its not about trying to look after the best horses.

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    Hi Triple

    I agree with you totally, it should not happen at all.

    Hi Buster

    A cunning genius i must say i do like your style lol.

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    I'd say that will be the end of Medal of Honour's APG campaign, broke in the score up and broke again on the home turn at Dubbo. I would expect it will be stood down for a trial or two. A bit of a shame as he was one of NSW best chances and a good heat winner last week!

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    The fields for round 2 certainly reflect the relevance of seeding. I think there is a clear pick in each heat. Mark Purdon will have to think a little more than he needed two a fortnight ago with a tricky draw for his champ, however he should be able to win from anywhere on past performances. Valencia is a standout. Gamechanger and I think Medal of Honour, as I believe Western Rockster has lost his early season ascendancy.

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    the 2nd round needs to be seeded otherwise they'd end up with 4 or 5 horse with the same points for the final in the cut off region

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    It is a serious wank that on one hand many amongst Australian Harness Racing Industry Administration will wring their hands and tug their forelocks with regard to the number of Odds On shots in racing in general whilst at the same time happily continuing the absurd & non-competitive practice of seeding Futurity & Age Classic Racing Heats...be they APG, ABC, Derby,Oaks & so on...the outcome duly being a series of Odds On shots in as many Heats as there are to be conducted...and solely of their own creation. Their hypocrisy seemingly knows no boundaries. Talk about a rampant case of do as I say and not as I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triplev123 View Post
    It is a serious wank that on one hand many amongst Australian Harness Racing Industry Administration will wring their hands and tug their forelocks with regard to the number of Odds On shots in racing in general whilst at the same time happily continuing the absurd & non-competitive practice of seeding Futurity & Age Classic Racing Heats...be they APG, ABC, Derby,Oaks & so on...the outcome duly being a series of Odds On shots in as many Heats as there are to be conducted...and solely of their own creation. Their hypocrisy seemingly knows no boundaries. Talk about a rampant case of do as I say and not as I do.
    I think in the long run for punting $$$ the seeding works.
    Yeah in the heats you might sacrifice say $10K but that will be more than made up for in the final should all the big guns be there.

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    for the most part these races are funded by the breeders/owners, so they should be looked after first - punters are dead for the trots that ship has sailed

  9. #49
    triplev123
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    Even Buster can see the folly in it. He writes [for the most part these races are funded by the breeders/owners, so they should be looked after first ]

    The fact that there is seeding in the Heats for Futurity events when EVERYONE has had to shell out the SAME amount of $$$ in order to be there is a HUGE slap in the face to all those bar the Owner/s of the seeded hot pot/s. It is an anti-competitive practice that servers to disadvantage some and advantage others and it should cease immediately. That is simply NOT what Futurity Racing is all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triplev123 View Post
    Even Buster can see the folly in it. He writes [for the most part these races are funded by the breeders/owners, so they should be looked after first ]

    The fact that there is seeding in the Heats for Futurity events when EVERYONE has had to shell out the SAME amount of $$$ in order to be there is a HUGE slap in the face to all those bar the Owner/s of the seeded hot pot/s. It is an anti-competitive practice that servers to disadvantage some and advantage others and it should cease immediately. That is simply NOT what Futurity Racing is all about.
    It could be argued it makes it fairer overall.
    What if Western Rockstar drew in a heat against Fly Like An Eagle; Soho Valencia; Gamechanger; Teniamo whilst Desirable Guy finished first with a trifecta of No Fixed Address and Minti Choice (no disrespect to their 2 connections but from my quick glance they have worst number form)

    Thats not fair to inferior horses who drew a semi final like heat whereas another horse finished placings in sub par fields.

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