The ASBP Report: How can they be serious? Bad news for harness owners

[aussiebreno]

bring back sires stakes races where you do not have to pay $287 each year to be elledgable breeders challange & state bred bonus races it is not just service fees its all other cost for horse elledgability races owners/breeders have to pay to get top $
for there horses when they sell

I'm not the best at spelling but your butchering of the word eligible sums up that post.

[smithy]

liking your last post gutwagon

the MAJOR thing i think breeders aren't getting here, is that imported NZ horses are for the majority - up and going, mature, highly exposed form wise and experienced horses - this is a different PRODUCT to what breeders are producing to be sold at auction or prebreaking, so you can't say demand will be switched straight from one to the other

trainers are always going to push hard for kiwi's because they are getting training fee's straight away and a going horse to race - bar fitzpatricks in nsw very trainers can muster the number and quality of youngsters required to make a mark in classic races to be worth their time

[smithy]

bring back sires stakes races where you do not have to pay $287 each year to be elledgable breeders challange & state bred bonus races it is not just service fees its all other cost for horse elledgability races owners/breeders have to pay to get top $
for there horses when they sell

firstly - download google chrome as a web browser it has a spell check

second - your post has given me an alternative idea to pay for certificate scheme... DOUBLE ALL PAY UP FEES FOR STATE BRED CLASSICS, using the same ideology as the current paper this increased cost will just be absorbed without question and demand will actually increase despite these fees slugging people

i figure with a doubling of all pay up fees ($550) for nsw breeders challenge, you now will win 5k for your first win and 6k to the nominator for the win.. and thats not even including the left over to boost the finals/heats series

[justdoit]

I need help with this.

We would like 2.1 million a year? OK, .
How many fee's /taxes are payed industry wide each year(the number of, not the cost) example:trainer licence, foal reg, import tax,etc answer?__________.
Now the individual total number(the number of, not the cost). example:trainers licence 100, foal reg 4000, import tax, etc answer?__________. 2.1mil divided by this number?
The 2.1mil should be collected industry wide, if the resulting benefit is industry wide.

[gutwagon]

@ aussiebreno, my down market Aussie horse has beaten many upmarket NZ horses.
It take patience and for sight to breed your own good horses or pick them out at a sale. Buying going horses from nz is for impatient people after quick returns.
If there were any Victorian politicians on the panel they would have recommended more speed cameras to pay for the scheme.
You can get spell check from this site, most of them give American spelling. Those bloody stallion owners must run them !

[aussiebreno]

600 imported horses adding $1.7million to the fund each year.
The report fails to take into account that this figure may drop because of the increased fee. If only 300 come next year thats only $850,000. They don't say what they would do if this happened . Agree
$16 million spent on service fees. I agree that the stallion owners could contribute more to this fund. I think many stallions are over priced. I don't think any of them are worth more than $5000. But people keep sending their mares to the $10,000+ stallions so the price will stay up. Which shows demand for stallions is high, yet come sales time breeders are crying poor so demand for the foals once born is low. This to me says the breeding industry is overpopulated.
Some of you are saying we need to improve our breed, we use most of the same stallions as nz breeders now, so how do we improve our breed ? I know you will say stop breeding with rubbish mares. I'm sure NZ has plenty of rubbish mares also, it's just that we only see the better NZ horses over here. The rubbish is culled and doesn't make it to Aus. Even Mark Purdon has started coming to our sales and has been very successful with his purchases.Yeah exactly, we don't see the rubbish Kiwis - so I am not saying they have a stronger breed. But, if we replace our rubbish with good Kiwis then that is an improvement for Aust breed.
From what I can see the only reason NSW harness racing is doing ok is because of the sale of Harold Park, and that was just lucky that land values have incresed. The 1400m track at Menangle was also a great idea, so was getting rid of V"Landys. True, but land value was always going to increase, not luck.

/Post

[smithy]

@ aussiebreno, my down market Aussie horse has beaten many upmarket NZ horses.
It take patience and for sight to breed your own good horses or pick them out at a sale. Buying going horses from nz is for impatient people after quick returns.

ask lance justice and gary hall if they agree with you

[aussiebreno]

liking your last post gutwagon

the MAJOR thing i think breeders aren't getting here, is that imported NZ horses are for the majority - up and going, mature, highly exposed form wise and experienced horses - this is a different PRODUCT to what breeders are producing to be sold at auction or prebreaking, so you can't say demand will be switched straight from one to the other

trainers are always going to push hard for kiwi's because they are getting training fee's straight away and a going horse to race - bar fitzpatricks in nsw very trainers can muster the number and quality of youngsters required to make a mark in classic races to be worth their time

Agree smithy!

I need help with this.

We would like 2.1 million a year? OK, .
How many fee's /taxes are payed industry wide each year(the number of, not the cost) example:trainer licence, foal reg, import tax,etc answer?__________.
Now the individual total number(the number of, not the cost). example:trainers licence 100, foal reg 4000, import tax, etc answer?__________. 2.1mil divided by this number?
The 2.1mil should be collected industry wide, if the resulting benefit is industry wide.

See how much f***ing around this one part of the industry means for the whole industry. Not worth it imo. Using your idea (not criticising just making a light hearted comment) come 6 months time participants will be up in arms. Then a prizemoney increase of the %%% will take place and we will be back to problem A lol!!

@ aussiebreno, my down market Aussie horse has beaten many upmarket NZ horses.
It take patience and for sight to breed your own good horses or pick them out at a sale. Buying going horses from nz is for impatient people after quick returns.

I bet it has and I bet there other stories similar to yours. Some people like burning cash! But at the end of the day whether its right or wrong the demand is where the demand is.

[gutwagon]

Victoria announced a stake increase of around $2 million in stakes for next season. Most other states will be increasing stakes next season. Why didn't they just take the money for the scheme from this increase? That shouldn't upset to many people and that spreads it across the industry.

[aussiebreno]

Victoria announced a stake increase of around $2 million in stakes for next season. Most other states will be increasing stakes next season. Why didn't they just take the money for the scheme from this increase? That shouldn't upset to many people and that spreads it across the industry.

Ummmmm because they are to different entities.