The ASBP Report: How can they be serious? Bad news for harness owners

[The Big Mile]

Why wouldn't you breed from Modern Classic she had run under 2.00 a long way before the other day had won 8 race's her dam has had 4 to race for 2 winner's both under 1.57 her grand dam has 2 under 2.00 incl a 1.52 horse she is also from a good solid family with strong 2yo form isn't that what people are after 2yo money races early but i might be biased perhap's you should refrain from giving examples without properly looking up the mare's.

Greg you are right. Should have done that and was going only on racetrack experience. My fault.

Breaking 2 minutes is nothing at Menangle. 1.56 and you start to revv it up. But her worth has considerably risen since banging a 1.53.6 on the table. Remembering 1.53.0 was Make Mine Cullens Australasian mark not that long ago.

[The Big Mile]

I'm sick of people saying I wouldn't breed from this mare or that mare. Well when you own them and race them and feed them and look after them you fall in love with them, you can't put them on a dog truck. They have personalities they eat breath and shit , if we just wanted to make money we would stay away from horses, its in your blood .WE are all after the excitement and the thrill of winning and the love of the sport, it's not just about money !!

What you say is 100% correct in most aspects. This is why people do persist with mares that probably aren't commercially viable, but they don't care they are happy to breed and race.

This is where the credit scheme falls down, because at the end of the day the breeder as you mentioned becomes the owner (like all other owners) and they are asking other owners to finance their splurge.

[The Big Mile]

In my view people who buy going horses are just looking for a quick profit, they love money.

You obviously don't know too much about going horses then Gutwagon.

Quick profit? Gee. Its not insider trading or a rort you know.

Buying going horses is because you love money? Nup. Afraid not. You actually despise money if you invest in horses. Don't see too many fund managers suggesting to their clients 'buy going standardbreds'.

If you really want to burn money, buy yearlings.

(oh shit, here comes the incoming......)

[gutwagon]

Not many fund managers make money now days TBM, thats why they have suicide barriers on the westgate bridge.
Buying going horses is because you are trying to get a quick return at the expense of a breeder who is trying to cut their losses. I don't buy yearlings, I breed my own, its much cheaper.No breeders means no horses, here or in NZ.

[mango]

Hi Gutwagon

A lot of people buy going horses for various reasons compared to buying yearlings, they don't have to wait a long period of time to get the horse to the race's and another reason is you can see the horse going whether it is a knee knocker and so on so that eliminates problems right there and to be honest buying going horses is a smart move. If it's much cheaper to breed your own why are we trying to get a credit scheme going to help people pay for service fee's. The credit scheme might mean more mare's bred to but as i said before people have to look at there mare and really think should i breed from her and you hit the nail on the head when you said people fall in love with them well that maybe so but breeding from a mare that you love and has had 20 starts for nothing isn't going to strengthen the fields or racing.

[The Big Mile]

Not many fund managers make money now days TBM, thats why they have suicide barriers on the westgate bridge.
Buying going horses is because you are trying to get a quick return at the expense of a breeder who is trying to cut their losses. I don't buy yearlings, I breed my own, its much cheaper.No breeders means no horses, here or in NZ.

Aren't buyers of going horses allowed to do it for the love of racing, or even buying a broodmare prospect for down the line?

....at the expense of the breeder? Ummmm no. Don't think so. But I can understand that mentality because it is prolific in harness racing breeders circles.

No owners mean no breeders. If you manufacture something, you need a market to sell into.

[Love Of Courage]

I'm sick of people saying I wouldn't breed from this mare or that mare. Well when you own them and race them and feed them and look after them you fall in love with them, you can't put them on a dog truck. They have personalities they eat breath and shit , if we just wanted to make money we would stay away from horses, its in your blood .WE are all after the excitement and the thrill of winning and the love of the sport, it's not just about money !!

One of the best posts I have read on this site !

I think first and foremost most breeders breed because we love and receive so much enjoyment from the horses and harness racing. Whilst we would like to try to break even, most hobby breeders expect to run at a loss but considering the enjoyment we receive consider the money well spent. Even if you do not own the mares foal you still enjoy seeing it win.

If you have a mare that is considered of low commercial value and you send to a top stallion and it does not sell well then you have nobody to blame but your self. But the best way to upgrade a family is to send the mare to the best stallions that you can afford.

Look at the pedigree of "The Archduchess"
http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/r...TOKEN=43357240
A Perfect Art mare with a record of 11 starts no wins no second 1 third and $ 1,770. 2nd dam 47 starts, 3 wins 2 seconds and 5 thirds for $ 11,534.

Most would have said on mating the mare with Christian Cullen you must be mad send the mare to the "doggers" . The Archduchess is now 15 starts for 5 wins and nine placings and $ 210,576.

Breeding is hardly an exact science and good horses can come from nowhere.

[Greg Hando]

Greg you are right. Should have done that and was going only on racetrack experience. My fault.

Breaking 2 minutes is nothing at Menangle. 1.56 and you start to revv it up. But her worth has considerably risen since banging a 1.53.6 on the table. Remembering 1.53.0 was Make Mine Cullens Australasian mark not that long ago.

Yes 1.53 does look better but was just saying a bit more research and you wouldn't get criticism about your post all's o'k

[Don Corleone]

Why wouldn't you breed from Modern Classic she had run under 2.00 a long way before the other day had won 8 race's her dam has had 4 to race for 2 winner's both under 1.57 her grand dam has 2 under 2.00 incl a 1.52 horse she is also from a good solid family with strong 2yo form isn't that what people are after 2yo money races early but i might be biased perhap's you should refrain from giving examples without properly looking up the mare's.

I wish Modern Classic wasn't in that race because I have the mare that run second!!!

[triplev123]

I'm sick of people saying I wouldn't breed from this mare or that mare. Well when you own them and race them and feed them and look after them you fall in love with them, you can't put them on a dog truck. They have personalities they eat breath and shit , if we just wanted to make money we would stay away from horses, its in your blood .WE are all after the excitement and the thrill of winning and the love of the sport, it's not just about money !!

[VVV] I've never cared too much at all what racemares are by just so long as they are well put together and they have a good maternal family to back them up...and that's a direct extension of my dismissal of broodmare sires viewpoint.
If a mare's a good type with racetrack performance and maternal family to back her up then what she is by means about as much in the scheme of things as "There will be no carbon tax under the Government I lead".