I'll say it once again and I'll KEEP ON SAYING IT until those in the driver's seat tune in and understand.
In 2009/2010 season we produced just under 5,200 live foals here in Australia. Approximately 2,600 of those were fillies who will duly get a shot at 6.6% of the total races carded, all but ensuring that they're either not going to be tried or if they are then they'll be pushing shit up hill to be viable racing propositions.
Until such time as we make BETTER USE OF HALF OF THE FOALS WERE ARE ALREADY PRODUCING instead of trying to breed another 500-1000-1500 more foals than we are at present...and then NEGLECTING 250-500-750 OF THOSE IN THE VERY SAME FASHION AS WE CURRENTLY NEGLECT HALF OF THE FOALS WE PRODUCE...then any efforts to increase foal numbers is seemingly just for the sake of doing so. All we will effectively do is INCREASE THE APPALLING LEVEL OF WASTAGE/LACK OF RACING OPPORTUNITIES that we currently preside over.
As I said before...LET THE FILLIES THAT WE BREED NOW FILL THE FIELDS.
WRITE THE GOD DAMNED RACES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I share similar views Triple v, yet when this was brought up with various state programmers they suggest that on many occasions when they do program fillies/mares only races, they dont receive enough noms. my response was that they should simply program them and race them anyway, and eventually trainers will see them and put their fillies and mares in
It is constructive. If there was no opposition to this idea it would go ahead plain sailing the sport would be poorer for it.Originally Posted by mightymo
I've said I have no problem with the other 34.5 pages of the panels report.
I've said breeders have got to want to do it. At the moment the sport is on its market equilbrium. There is no 'problem' with not enough foals. Yes it would be great if there was more; but that means more races and thus prizemoney comes to a halt; even decreases. If there comes a point fields aren't being met then that means there is more oppurtunities to win races and thus breeding will increase. There is no problem with dwindling foal numbers. Increasing foal numbers will just add to losses.
Another thing I just put forward. Retention of horses. There are enough foals to starters to fill fields. In fact we should have a surplus. Add in all the Imports and we'd have many more meetings. But why aren't the foals to starters continually racing? Where are they going? I'm not going to be like the breeders panel and come up with an answer without actually knowing. My theories are in the above post with question marks next to them.
Also by me not offering something up that suits you. It's like me coming up with an idea "I don't think I should have to pay for hot dogs and beer when I go to the trots" I know I'll stand at the gate and collect $2 off everybody that comes in. That is a ridiculous idea on my behalf. But I don't care that its riduculous; I am going to go ahead with it anyway until someones offers up a better idea. That is exactly what you are doing.
Have you not seen the ideas put forward by mango, VVV and others?
Do a deal. I'll admit I can't come with a better idea. And you admit the current idea is ridiculous?
I see tripleVs idea with fillies/mares racing can help my horse retention theory.
"There is no 'problem' with not enough foals. Yes it would be great if there was more; but that means more races and thus prizemoney comes to a halt; even decreases. If there comes a point fields aren't being met then that means there is more oppurtunities to win races and thus breeding will increase. There is no problem with dwindling foal numbers. Increasing foal numbers will just add to losses. "
What a load of absolute nonsense - you clearly have absolutely no understanding of how the industry is funded. i am speechless.
The same prizemoney gets paid out in a field of 8 starters as it does in a field of 12 starters, however, the turnover is siginificantly greater and so the returns to the industry is significantly greater and this leads to increased prizemoney.
This has nothing to do with any panel. this is just basic FACTS
Ummmmm, if 8 races becomes 9 races that is 1 more race for prizemoney. Common sense mightymo.
EDIT: In the 5 years that fields drops before the increasing foals come in yeah TAB funding may drop by say 20%. If the sport can't cover that then we are in more trouble then the Bali 9
A whole new race is going to do more for turnover than 2 more horses being in a race.
By the way, a long time internet 'truth' has just been found out as fallacy.
If you are mightymo you can unsee things. You have done a great job of seemingly ignoring things from the start of the thread simply because they don't agree with your side of the discussion.
@aussiebreno you think we dont need to breed more foals. If the numbers keep droping it will no longer be viable for the better quality US stallions to come down under( Aus & NZ ) and that would be a disaster for our breed.
Does anyone know if nz foal numbers are also droping ?
aussiebreno you have said you don't breed or own horses, could you tell us what your involvement in the sport is ? I'm not having a go at you , I just want to better understand your position and views.
Maybe the pannel could have looked into why so many foals don't make it to the track ? It cant just be because they are fillies or not good enough. I have known many people who never try horses, just leave them in the padock, mostly due to training costs ect.
Don't die wondering !
Hello Gutwagon, I see your point about dwindling foal numbers, however, with the present exchange rate and unlimited books in Oz/NZ, I would suspect that the Southern Hemisphere provides income shuttle stallion owners could ill afford to lose. I feel we are a long way off reversing the present trend that sees almost all of the top US studs available down under.
I would also like to express some sympathy for Mighty Mo through this forum. I feel that he is perhaps being criticized a bit unnecessarily for making an effort to improve the industry. The fact that he is present on this forum should be acknowledged, as I'm sure other members of the panel are not as accessible as he has made himself and his views. I hope he has a thick skin and can take some of the valid points that have been made by many contributers to the thread. Personally, I don't like the idea of the credits scheme. I think any benefits would be insignificant, could sustain inefficient areas of the industry and not justify the poor PR and potential loss of owners that would come with the import tax hike. However, it is an idea and ideas in this industry should be welcomed and considered. Through reading several posts I have been convinced of the importance of programming more fillies and mares races. I would start by challenging HRV on this point... If they say it can't be justified due to insufficient field nom's I would challenge them on their recent trotting enhancements which will subsidize a sector of the industry in the interests of reaping a long term benefit - Same principle surely!
All State bodies need to programme more fillies and mares races regardless of field size's to promote to everyone that their is races for the mare's so people will buy and race on the female's longer
it's no good saying we programmed them and no-one turned up it takes time you just can't go and get them out of the paddock and race them we have to change people's thought's on fillies and mares racing.
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