Don't just cover one night in Newcastle. How about a mini series covering the last twelve months. I recon it would be top of the rateings.
Don't just cover one night in Newcastle. How about a mini series covering the last twelve months. I recon it would be top of the rateings.
Care to elaborate on that suggestion Barney?
What substances would you suggest are being used as a masking agents ?
What drugs are those masking agents attempting to disguise the presence of ?
From a chemistry/testing regime aspect, how exactly do these masking agents succeed in covering up the presence of illegal substances?
Unless of course it was all just more of a 'throw-away line'?
VVV. You mean that he told me a lie???
Masking agents are used as i said in an earlier post a very successful trainer once said to a mate of mine Dont ask what im using as what im using to mask it.
If i put the trainers name on this site i would be banned.
Just wondering are you suggesting they dont exsist.
Originally Posted by barney
[VVV] They are...are they? Ok. Nobody's asking you to name the person. That has nothing to do with it.
Rather I'm asking that you substantiate that they are being used, first by naming one or more such substances that are able to be used in such a fashion and then by noting how it is/they are being used, what drug or drugs that it/they disguise the presence of & (chemically) how it/they achieve to achieve that.
I'm not suggesting that they do or do not exist. I'm not the one who made the statement.
[VVV] Perish the thought Andy, perish the thought.
No worries Tim wasn't sure .
Have whoever you want on but don't ever have yourself on
In the 2 recent cases for TCO2 positive swabs for A Bucca & J Glover, the decision on penalty included in Mr Glover's case the "the level of the prohibited substance detected" ....so why are we not privy to the levels detected in all cases of positive swabs??????? It would make it easier to understand the penalties given. We don't even know whether the level of Glover or Bucca was the higher?????? The inference here would be that the Glover level was maybe higher (Just a guess!), than Bucca, but because of the previous misdemeanour by Bucca his penalty was higher,but only just. I won't go into personal circumstances???
Mr Glover was disqualified for a period of 10 months effective immediately. In assessing penalty Stewards took into account, his guilty plea, his unblemished record for offences under a similar Rule, the level of the prohibited substance detected, the nature the of the prohibited substance, the seriousness of the offence and his personal circumstances
Mr Bucca was disqualified for a period of 12 months effective immediately. In assessing penalty Stewards took into account, his guilty plea, his previous offence under a similar Rule, , the nature the of the prohibited substance, the seriousness of the offence, the status of the race and his personal circumstances.
Therefore, if the levels were advised, the discussion here would possbly be limited i.e. a much higher level of Boldenone than could possibly be naturally occurring in a horse (stallion), would therefore rule out this for a start.................my point being that HRNSW gives out ambiguous information regarding "irregularities"..........the recent case of detected EPO..........which has been sent to another lab for testing at present. They may as well not have have told us, they won't mention who is involved, and as far as anybody knows that trainer is still operating.......so what was the point!..........I am not asking for a copy of the labs report either! We continue to discuss TCO2 levels every day or so, but don't know the levels detected...........HRNSW can you help us out??????
Under harness racings prohibited substances policy it doesn't matter what the level is or what the substance is they are all treated the same. I don't like it but that's the way it is. If you read the transcripts of appeals that show levels there. The lines stating all the things they considered is just to stop them being considered at an appeal later.
As for disqualifications for big name trainers it didn't happin and won't happin. They are too important for racing. Disqualifications are for the no namers and fines are for the big boys..
The stewards have assessed their penalties for the offences and part of the penalty includes "the level of the prohibited substance detected" so therefore the level should be advised...............it is quite simple........I know the offence is proven, their statement not mine, but I am supportive of the fact that levels do make a diffrerence to penalty!!!!
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