Read that he has had another positive not sure what norktamine does to help a horse perform.Surely some of you guys will have read the same thing.
Read that he has had another positive not sure what norktamine does to help a horse perform.Surely some of you guys will have read the same thing.
Have used Ketamine on an injured horse that was a very bad kicker and he could not be tended to unless he was stoned out of its head.
Often it's mixed with a bit of Valium and Bob's your Uncle, so to speak. Maybe the old horse had to be sedated for some reason and they raced him too early? Ketamine shows up even in the most mintute of minute amounts as the test for it is basically an Equine adapted Human Drugs Of Abuse platform & as such it is similarly extremely sensitive.
Apparently you shouldn't allow your horse to graze the grass where another has been gelded.
I am having great difficulty reconciling how Barry Lews latest prohibited substance infringement only drew a disqualification of twelve months. What am I missing here? In July 2012 the tribunal handed down its decision on the boldenone case against Karloo Kix, the charges were the same under Rule 190 (1), (2) and (4). The original decision was upheld (although varied) and Barry was disqualified for six months. (Tribunal link) http://www.hrnsw.com.au/assets/files...%20B%20Lew.pdf
New penalties were released by HRNSW in June 2012, much tougher line being taken with prohibited substances. http://hrnsw.com.au/hrnsw-media-release481.html We all know the story of Barrys impeccable judiciary record, his high standing with the sport, a cleanskin up until this blight occurred. That has seriously been put to the test in recent times following the revelation that Karloo Mick had norketamine in its system when it won a race at Menangle on 13 October, 2012. It also puts a huge cloud over the true ability of the old warhorse to race on so competitively at such a grand age (still in Interdom contention no less and over the marathon, well who knows). Its leaving a crap taste in my mouth knowing an old favourite of mine has had some assistance. Thats not the whinge, thats just personal disappointment.
This time Barry Lew is disqualified for 12 months http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=103615
Even if its a Class 3 category charge a second offence is a mandatory two year DQ. I think it should go in to the Class 2 category myself.
So has HRNSW gone soft on their big strong stance on the use of prohibited substances almost at the first hurdle, or have they decided the first charge should not be used retrospectively because the penalties have changed since then and everyone gets a free shot at cheating under the NEW guidelines? Or is it Barry is a good bloke and deserves special treatment? I subscribe to none of those theories. He should have been given a minimum two year ban.
[VVV] G'day Brad, just one point. NOBODY that's looking to assist a horse to win a race is EVER going to give it Ketamine. It's a sedative, it stops them, it doesn't kick them along. That's what makes this positive so strange. Furthermore, every man and their dog knows that it sticks around in a horse's system for some time and testing wise it would show up like an elephant hiding under a tea towel. None of it makes any sense to me.
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1 Nannogram was the amount the horse had in him which is about 1/100000 of a bees dick in amount and i have measured a bee.
Have whoever you want on but don't ever have yourself on
[VVV] Yeh? That's 1 billionth of 1 gram.
Perhaps another good example of the ongoing & desperate need for thresholds to be put in place for a range of substances, levels above which are deemed pharmacologically active & below which are simply ignored. Incidentally, by way of some sort of a yardstick, a human drugs of abuse test (for Ketamine use) is deemed to be positive if the tested level comes back at 1000ng/ml or higher.
Last edited by Triple V; 02-13-2013 at 08:05 PM. Reason: added (for Ketamine use)
Thanks for the info Greg about the one nannogram found in the swab, can you let me know where that info is? I have been looking everywhere to no avail to find the levels detected as the levels have a bit to do with the effects of this drug, I know Jamie is saying it's a sedative but my information is that in particular dosing/levels rather than acting as a sedative it can act as a bronchodialator, freeing up the airways as such, which, obviously will have a positive effect on the horses performance rather than putting him to sleep.
So greg if you can help us out there that'd be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Dan