The sad thing is yes the penalties should be harsher but if you run second to the drug cheats and you back your horse there is no reprieve, with proof could itbe that you launch a civil case against the guilty.
It is like the TAB and betting agencies committing fraud....think about it. in essence the bet has been accepted at the time everything is declared, down the track a positive and everyone wins bar the owner who backed his horse to win.
Fellas, if the level that Greg has reported is correct then IMO the testing regime & subsequent regulatory enforcement of same has gone right off the %$#!ing deep end whilst screaming & claiming to be a tea-pot. How could anyone in their right mind keep a straight face and suggest that 1 billionth of 1 gram of norketamine is having any pharmacologically active effect whatsoever in a 350-400kg horse????????? and further to that, how could such an infinitesimally small amount earn a Trainer 12 months on the sidelines? Insanity, absolute insanity.
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Reported today on WIN tv that The Trainers Association had a meeting with HRNSW today and i think from reports asked the same question. Not sure of outcome as interview with WIN TV with HRNSW wasn't forthcoming.
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I have to say I'm inclined to agree Jamie, that is IF the level in the horses system was in fact "one nannogram", however that is excactly what I'm struggling to understand, how would they be able to accurately detect that quantity?
I honestly don't know what the permissable level is for this substance, if it's zero, then it comes into the group of "bad shit" doesn't it?, if the level permited is something other than zero, then why has Barry been disqualified if the the horse had only one nannogram in his system? or was it one microgram above the threshold/limit??
I honestly have no idea, but if as Barry claims the substance came from the stable he was using then everyone better be extra vigilant when they travel with their hiorses and for that matter when accommodating travelling horses at their own establishments.
cheers,
Dan
Haven't we been down this road before? http://hl-app1.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=88749
By hook or by crook a substance that shouldn't have been in the horses system was found.
Just to what level of scrutiny is required by trainers that would satisfy stewards, I just don't know. But let us assume that even if Barry is not complicit in the least he still has to prove his case of innocence. Under the rules as they stand he doesn't have much room to move.
Thats the point I tried to make in other threads here, under the ABSOLUTE rule, trainers are not able to defend themselves. Lab report is final and they don't care how it happened.
Except in NZ where the RIU "shit themselves" with the arsonic findings at the Hong Kong lab. They dropped all charges against the trainers but horses still lost the race. Arsonic was in a commonly used product and had been for years.
Effects of N-ethyl-nor-ketamine
The effects are reported to be less trippy, less psychedelic and with less dissociation than Ketamine, however with greater euphoria, relaxation and analgesia.
Euphoria
Relaxation
Moderate dissociation
Moderate hallucinations
Time dilation
Mild body load
Mild mobility inhibition
Read more: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...#ixzz2Kp1I49v8
Hi VVV, could have mistaken N-ethyl-nor-ketamine for norketamine thinking they are one of the same.
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Apparently Ketamine is the most abused drug in Hong Kong and is spreading through East Asia, Europe,Australia and North America.
The relative ease at which drugs can be detected does not seem to be a deterrent ; I would suggest it's a case of miscalculation of
administration rather than the fear of being caught. Only last week, over here in W.A., a recent G.P. winner has returned a positive to
caffeine of all things. I remember a case many years ago,back in the 70's, where a horse returned a caffeine positive and the trainer's
explanation was ''I employ tea leaves in my feeding program''. Maybe this time it was too much cocoa powder. I'm afraid these days
when a horse wins a race, particularly the high profile performers, I wait with bated breath until the swab is returned negative and
even then I'm not totally convinced.
Rod there was no miscalculation of administration as the horse wasn't given anything.
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