Shayne Cramp gets trainers license suspended for 6 months for a driving offence???

[Maorisidol]

Barry did you see the immediate left hand turn he did as soon as they crossed the line?
Have you ever seen that before by any other driver? So blatant.
If you owned the horse he purposely drove into would you be happy if ANY driver did that to you? I doubt it!
That was a dogs act Barry, 40 years i have been watching trots, havent seen everything in the game, but have seen a lot, but havent seen anyone do that, a great image for the game!, but Barry do you reckon that was ok?
I am not commenting on the Douglas/ Cramp scenario, only the left hand turn into the other horse, woof!

[little fish]

Barry did you see the immediate left hand turn he did as soon as they crossed the line?
Have you ever seen that before by any other driver? So blatant.
If you owned the horse he purposely drove into would you be happy if ANY driver did that to you? I doubt it!
That was a dogs act Barry, 40 years i have been watching trots, havent seen everything in the game, but have seen a lot, but havent seen anyone do that, a great image for the game!, but Barry do you reckon that was ok?
I am not commenting on the Douglas/ Cramp scenario, only the left hand turn into the other horse, woof!

I'd be ropable if anyone did that to one of my horses!

I'm not trying to be a Cramp apologist - if he had a brain snap and did it intentionally it was very immature and stupid and he deserves a solid whack.

However in the context of my post above I think it is not that simple.

Lets keep in mind he has never had barely a bad word to anyone in his 13 years in the industry. His record is pretty clean. He is not like as gruff and abrasive as his old man. Shayne is honest and hard working and tries his best to get along with everyone and never has a bad word to say about anyone. If the kid had a brain snap do you really go and take away his entire living for 6 months? Drivers license sure, but trainers license too? Harsh very harsh in my opinion.

[aussiebreno]

And you think I'm in love with Quinny

Douglas charged and found guilty of a 'general' offence as defined by the rule book. Penalty wasn't general but was for driving. Cramps penalty type is correct (I reckon too severe but moot point) whereas Douglas penalty type was incorrect. I commented on that at the time of Douglas penalty. The penalty makers got that one wrong.

[little fish]

And you think I'm in love with Quinny

Douglas charged and found guilty of a 'general' offence as defined by the rule book. Penalty wasn't general but was for driving. Cramps penalty type is correct (I reckon too severe but moot point) whereas Douglas penalty type was incorrect. I commented on that at the time of Douglas penalty. The penalty makers got that one wrong.

This is exactly where I am coming from.

Maorisidol I have not made any ridiculous assertions that he should be let off or as you put it, "Just because u have the Defence " I'm a good bloke, but I just belted you! Sorry I had a brain snap", I'm not gonna let u off..."

That is clearly not what I or anyone else has said.

If he is a good bloke and had a brain snap I agree that is not a reason to be let off however it IS something to be taken into consideration when deciding an appropriate penalty. As in the legal system your priors and any relevent patterns of behaviour should always be taken into consideration. Cramp's record is pretty clean and he is generally very fair and well liked - can you provide evidence to suggest otherwise?

This is not a situation where a person has schemed and systematically rorted and cheated this is someone losing his cool in the heat of the moment. Still deserves a harsh penalty however as I've stated multiple times it needs to be in line with any set precedents.